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sharkmouth 04-22-2007 10:31 PM

Trumpeter's Dicker Max - Yawn...
 
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Well I got this in for review:
Attachment 4570
http://www.modelersalliance.com/gall...065/DM-Box.jpg
http://www.modelersalliance.com/gall...065/SprueA.jpg
http://www.modelersalliance.com/gall...065/SprueD.jpg
http://www.modelersalliance.com/gall...065/SprueE.jpg
http://www.modelersalliance.com/gall...065/SprueF.jpg
http://www.modelersalliance.com/gall...065/SprueJ.jpg
http://www.modelersalliance.com/gall...065/SprueL.jpg
http://www.modelersalliance.com/gall...065/SprueM.jpg
http://www.modelersalliance.com/gall...10065/DM-X.jpg
http://www.modelersalliance.com/gall.../LowerHull.jpg
http://www.modelersalliance.com/gall.../UpperHull.jpg
http://www.modelersalliance.com/gall...marksFlash.jpg

Lots of pin marks, flash, and some errors makes me think that they rushed it to beat Dragon. Sadly, the Dragon kit also suffers from fit problems so it is a toss up. Only happy error is Sprue L which I am stealing away for a Panzer IV. It is the wrong transmission for this beast, but it does foretell of a turreted Panzer IV with full interior.

The engineering is such that, as an example, once you attach the air exhaust scoop on the outside rear hull wall, the tabs used to position it are in plain view from the inside. These are adjacent to nice details which will be obliterated as you try to fill in and sand the tabs, pin marks, and replaced parts. For a new kit, many of the newly tooled parts have flash which interferes with what could have been very good fit.

I built enough to be able to write a review and will divide the parts up for other kits. By adding a tarp over the fighting compartment, a lot of the work filling and sanding to eliminate pin marks is avoided.

So, one can concentrate on the external details and corrections (such as the hinges for the fuel ports which are more visible in the end than the bogus belly pan details. Oh well... :(

Regards,

Flak 04-22-2007 11:36 PM

Thanks for your sharing the sprues pics...Saul :thumb:

I'm felt disappoint on the Trumpeter "Dicker Max" also...after seeing your sprue pictures... it's soft details, parts line mis-matched, a lot of flash, oversize/poor look weld line...etc. I expected they will better than DML, or kept the quality as their KV series...and they have Mr. Lam (The On-Track owner) to help for this project too...however...it is another story...:(

So, I will pass it and start to building the DML's one soon...

tamigawa 04-23-2007 08:49 PM

Thanks for the sprue shots. It's really too bad about the quality of these two kits, I was really looking forward to a good Dicker Max.

schlichtr 04-23-2007 10:22 PM

Thats sad to hear. Although I wasn't going to get one I know there were alot of folks waiting for this. Oh well...NEXT!!!

Roy

sharkmouth 04-24-2007 12:13 PM

Hi Guys,

Glad to help you all save money.

Regards,

sharkmouth 05-27-2007 05:07 PM

To build a better representation form the Trumpeter kit, I start with the belly pan.

This is for those who enjoy torture, aka 'Old School Modeling' (David, are you watching?)...

Original parts
http://www.modelersalliance.com/gall.../LowerHull.jpg

All access ports removed
http://www.modelersalliance.com/gall...s/10065/DM.jpg

Filled and first coat of putty
http://www.modelersalliance.com/gall...065/DM-026.jpg

Regards,

Driver 05-27-2007 08:55 PM

Way to go Saul! :thumb:

'Old School Modeling' may be torture but, do you know something more rewarding than that? :D

Cheers
Ruben

sharkmouth 05-27-2007 09:09 PM

Since I suffer from ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder), I usually pick a kit for which I could not care less to practice this torture. :D

I have already given it a second coat of filler, thin cyanoacrylate cement this time, and sanded it. Now, I am preparing a template to scribe in the final drive access hatches. I am using the 'original' Dragon PanzerKampfWagen IV Ausf E release as a guide and to steal the nuts which I can use for the tunnel mounts. Photos are coming.

My plan is to work on the outside. The interior will be covered under a tarp. That is, if I get that far.

I also did some work on the Metropolitana and need to upload those photos as well.

Ruben, Did you get the package?

Regards,

lquah 05-28-2007 01:27 PM

Saul

Got to see you start this kit :thumb: I wouldn't worry too much about the underside though since you are not showing it overturned.

One solution to ADD is to go for a speed build :) That way you will be able to finish before ADD takes hold. :D :D

Lawrence

sharkmouth 05-28-2007 10:49 PM

:D Speed builds don't exist for me. As for the belly detail, if I see it, I model it. Since I do not care for the kit, I won't spend money on aftermarket stuff but will upgrade it myself using stuff from the spares box.

As an example, in the previous photos, I had removed the incorrectly shaped fuel port covers. I found some that fit the bill from Dragon's Jagdpanzer IV but the cap side of the hinge is the late type. So, I modified it to take the early type from Dragon's original Ausf E. (yes, the one with all the dimensional errors)
http://www.modelersalliance.com/gall...065/DM-032.jpg

The top of the mudgaurds have tread plate on the inside! This was scraped off.
http://www.modelersalliance.com/gall...065/DM-027.jpg

Looking at the Dragon Ausf. E kit, I decided to use the drive sprockets as the bolt detail is correct but need to modify the details where Dragon slacked off. I will also use the bump stops as they are the correct Ausf E type while the Trumpeter kit provides the Ausf D type.

I glued together the barrel, sanded and polished it. I also filled in several pin marks and other minutiae but my photos came out blurry. I will take more as I progress slowly but surely.

Regards,

RickLawler 05-28-2007 11:00 PM

This looks like a good way to burn through the "parts" boxes...keep swinging at it..

Rick

sharkmouth 05-29-2007 05:34 AM

I thought it was the photos that were blurry. However,with the Dragon parts next to them, it is obvious it is the soft detail on the kit parts that gave me that impression! ;)

Dragon on the left, Trumpeter on the right:
http://www.modelersalliance.com/gall...065/DM-037.jpg

Muzzle Brake was not too hard to clean up thanks to the large size:
http://www.modelersalliance.com/gall...065/DM-036.jpg

The mantlet armor has some seams in difficult locations and missing weld beads (to be added):
http://www.modelersalliance.com/gall...065/DM-035.jpg
:mad:

Regards,

holmerz 05-29-2007 06:07 AM

Nice progress. Good to see a OOTB build.

regards

Erik

sharkmouth 05-29-2007 10:07 AM

Hi Erik,

It will definitely not be out of the box as a lot of what is found within is not good. I will not buy any aftermarket items for this kit as the subject is not of great interest. However, it is a good kit to practice some old fashioned detailing as I used to do before when I had more time than money ;-)

Regards,

RickLawler 05-29-2007 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharkmouth (Post 41204)
,,, some old fashioned detailing as I used to do before when I had more time than money ;-)

Regards,

:cool: Yep! :cool:

Rick

sharkmouth 06-03-2007 04:32 PM

For the four hours I spent mowing the lawn and trimming the hedges and edges, I thought about this awful kit. Last night, I dry fit the transmission access cover on the glacis and somehow lost it. It was an awful fit so I planned on gluing, filling and rescribing. Then, I noticed that the access hatch could probably be swiped from the Dragon Pz IV E I am stripping for parts. Not so!

The smaller transmission used meant a small and centrally placed access hatch as properly done by Dragon. More work to do...Grrrrrr! :mad::mad::mad:

I looked at the tools and pulled out a Tamiya OEM fret (the kind sold separately). There, the front tow points are included but not the base. Wait a second! The Tamiya Pz IV Ausf H had two front and rear sections from which I can probably use pieces! This is a good thing as the work is starting to bog me down in details. Yet, that is the challenge for me...try to make this silk purse from the hog's ear I have been handed using nothing more than 'old school' modeling. Maybe even learn some new techniques while I brush up on old ones before they become too rusty. Enough talk... I need to get snapping! Hopefully, I will find that access plate.

Regards,

lquah 06-03-2007 08:32 PM

Saul

That's rite, less talk more pics :) :D

Quote:

For the four hours I spent mowing the lawn and trimming the hedges and edges,
4 hours ! You must have quite a big patch of grass :)

Lawrence

sharkmouth 06-10-2007 06:26 AM

I was feeling pretty good last night about all the progress I made on this build when Kazutaka-san posts this beauty from the same kit:
http://www.planetarmor.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3759

Well, after looking at his, then mine, I decided that if anyone wants to see what mine aspires to be, go there.

As we say in Brooklyn;
HE KICKED MY ASS!!!!! :D:D:D

I know when I'm beat, or when to stop beating a dead horse...:yell:

Regards,

lquah 06-10-2007 06:44 AM

Saul

Show us the work you put into your Dicker Max :) It's not a competition and I always enjoy watching the build process. And I really want to see you finish the Dicker Max.

So please share your photos :) :)

Lawrence

sharkmouth 06-10-2007 07:22 AM

Hi Lawrence,

I did not say I would not post photos (still working on them) but I need to learn when to draw the line. ;)

I did some other work that Kazutaka-san did not like replacing the rear idler mounts which, for some reason, are not correctly sized. Since my Karl Munitionschlepper will receive Tristar's Panzer IV Ausf D hull (from their initial release), I can use the correctly sized ones from that kit. :p

Yet, Kazutaka's work is incredible for such a mediocre kit. :thumb: He is an artist and inspirational (which means I am continuing). :cool:

Here is a photo which, when compared to the photo in Panzer Tracts, you can appreciate how much work is needed to get this thing corrected:
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k2...Max/DM-038.jpg


After all this work, I am not melting the kit although my liquid sprue stock is low...:cool:

Regards,

RickLawler 06-10-2007 08:14 AM

Saul, I'm very much in agreement with Lawerence - keep going!...I'm learning so much from your process...how you look at photos and interpret them, and then....how to translate that onto your build.

Thanks,

Rick

sharkmouth 06-13-2007 08:41 PM

Hi,

I have been considering some new strategy to get the results I want. Mind you, I do not really care about this vehicle but am interested to see how far I can go to detail it. Since Lawrence (Laz2) mentioned Voyager Models PE set for Dick Marks, I thought I should visit their web site and see if it offered any corrections. After all, if they can't get the name right...
http://www.voyagermodel.com/products...151/index.html


First off, I dislike the fact that they have box top photos which combine both sets (35150 & 35151) They should at least gray out the items not in the particular package. Anyway, looking at their photos, I see that they re-arranged some items and mis aligned the air intake ducts! Definitely not a set I would consider (perhaps just the seat frames if I had the Dragon kit). Laz2, want my seat frames and gun PE details? I plan on an un-detailed interior :D

Anyway, I am trying to sneak in some bench time tonight and scratch build the rear hull wall. Kazutaka Yokota-san's posting was very inspirational not to mention that he is quick!!!! I do see some areas I will work on.

http://www.modelersalliance.com/gall...lipboard03.jpg
Yokota-san, I just saw this photo on your build and noticed the details which I will correct. It is possible you did not notice them and I hope you do not mind my using your photo to illustrate what I want to work on (and why I will try to scratch build instead of saving the kit piece)

Since I want to add a tarp over the fighting compartment, I have been considering how it was done. I think the bar one sees on the top of the fighting compartment, near the front, are the tarp hoops.
http://www.modelersalliance.com/gall...0065/emil1.jpg
http://www.modelersalliance.com/gall...17993copya.jpg

Regards,

tamigawa 06-13-2007 10:05 PM

Quote:

Dick Marks
That's pretty bad...:p

hmm... I would guess it is simply a grab handle for one of the crew? There were what, 4 guys in the small space and only two seats? just my guess.

Kazutaka 06-14-2007 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharkmouth (Post 42747)
Yokota-san, I just saw this photo on your build an noticed the details which I will correct. It is possible you did not notice them and I hope you do not mind my using your photo to illustrate what I want to work on (and why I will try to scratch build instead of saving the kit piece)

No, I don't mind your using my photos :)

I certainly didn't notice lacking details around the hinge! Yes, Trumpeter appears to have cut corners here...

Quote:

Since I want to add a tarp over the fighting compartment, I have been considering how it was done. I think the bar one sees on the top of the fighting compartment, near the front, are the tarp hoops.
I also wondered what these hoops are for, and thought they might have something to do with the center part of the roof being removable; Panzer Tracts says that this part of the roof is made removable for maintainance of the gun. But, as you say, they may be for the tarp.

Kazutaka

lquah 06-14-2007 02:36 PM

Quote:

Laz2, want my seat frames and gun PE details? I plan on an un-detailed interior
Thanks for the offer Saul :) However, I have painted the interior and I am too lazy to modify the seats. I just want to finish this kit off soon. I think eventually Aber will a couple of PE sets much like they did for the Sturer Emil and I hope they will correct the seats, air ducts, boxes etc

Quote:

Since I want to add a tarp over the fighting compartment, I have been considering how it was done. I think the bar one sees on the top of the fighting compartment, near the front, are the tarp hoops.
I have been looking at those hoops for awhile and initially thought that maybe the tarp attached to the bar and the hoop was to facilitate the pulling of the tarp across the fighting compartment. But looking at the photos and kit parts, it doesn't seem likely that the hoops can be pulled back. I still haven't figured out what is the purpose of having the hoops there?

LQ

Kit Stasher 06-14-2007 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kazutaka (Post 42798)
I also wondered what these hoops are for, and thought they might have something to do with the center part of the roof being removable; Panzer Tracts says that this part of the roof is made removable for maintainance of the gun. But, as you say, they may be for the tarp.

Kazutaka

Looking at the bar I can add that it looks like the anti-sway bar fitted to some cars (sometimes known as the stabilizer bar). Stops body roll in the car by transferring force to the suspension to "stiffen it up". Smooth/soft ride normally and hard/sports ride when needed (well thats in the days I was modifying an XC Coup).

In this case I'd guess that it is a spring loaded latch that's attached to the removable plate and locks to the rest of the roof when in place (just in front of the grab handles).
Ed

sharkmouth 06-15-2007 10:34 AM

Hi Guys,

Thanks for the guesses. Those handles are most probably intended to help with the removable panel. Which reminds me that I need to scribe the joint (I got carried away with adding weld beads from Archer Fine Transfers Surface Details set). It looked too wide and not proud enough so it got sanded off (Thank God I did not pay full price for the sheet).

Being that this weekend contains Father's Day, I hope the family decides to grant my wish and allow me uninterrupted hobby time.

Regards,

sharkmouth 06-17-2007 10:45 PM

Hi Guys,

I did get a little done. By mid day, I had sanded off all the offending parts as I had found the needed replacements in the Jagdpanzer IV bin. Thanks to the Huber thread that made me look in them.

It should be easier than making it all from sheet plastic. The idler mounts still need modifying as the vehicle's mounts lack the armor bit covering the pinions so I need to do some cutting and inserting of tube and/or rod.
http://www.modelersalliance.com/gall...065/DM-038.jpg
http://www.modelersalliance.com/gall...065/DM-039.jpg

The rest of the day, well...I suffer from ADD and the Jagdpanzers did look tempting...
http://www.modelersalliance.com/gall...065/DM-040.jpg
For those that are wondering, I cut off the glacis from the hull top piece so as to work on the seams and add the interlock weld detail.

But I will be back to this kit soon enough.

Regards,

lquah 06-28-2007 02:39 PM

Saul

Any progress on the DM? :)

LQ

sharkmouth 06-29-2007 03:30 PM

Hi Lawrence,

I did the boring stuff (wheels, gluing together the breech and gun mount). I also have begun the rear plate detailing.

When something worthy of photos is completed this weekend, I'll post an update. Thanks for the interest!

Regards,

sharkmouth 07-02-2007 04:20 PM

Dopey me forgot to bring along my flash drive. :mad:

Despite working on some reviews, one of which I will post on Planet Panther :thumb:
http://www.realmodel.cz/shop/getfile...=45a3f0bd37e06

I did get some work done on the Dick Marks. I grafted Dragon's Panzer IV E transmission hatch (from the original kit) to the Trumpeter.
http://www.modelersalliance.com/gall...PzSFLIVA02.jpg
I also added on some of the details and finished most of the belly detail. I will post some photos tonight when I get to my home PC.

Regards,

sharkmouth 08-05-2007 06:58 AM

Well, I see I did not post the photos. I guess I will.

Even though I tried to avoid this 'Time Bandit', a vendor sent me Voyager Models Dick Marks set to review. I was happy to see the brass fenders as I did not have any 'L' shaped brass beams in my scratch-building stash. Well, they are not included even though they are pictured. How I wish they would gray out the parts which are not included.

I, for one, would not have noticed the fine print where one is asked to look at the rear cover to see what is included.

Regards,

lquah 08-05-2007 02:15 PM

Saul

Yeah, you got to be really vigilant when buying Voyager's update set that comes in the box. Did your vendor send the fenders as well?

Would be interested to hear your thoughts on the Dick Marks set :)

Lawrence

sharkmouth 08-05-2007 03:41 PM

Hi Lawrence,

No, the fenders will be scratched by yours truly...I am looking for a vendor who has the K & S Engineering L profile brass shape. As soon as I find it, I can proceed on the fenders.

The VM set has a lot of errors in the interior. Too bad, it seems to be a good value but getting a lot of wrong items is not as good as getting a few correct ones. Even the slats for the fighting compartment are wrong. :(

Regards,

Panzergrenadier 08-05-2007 06:41 PM

The munitionpanzer would need the same fix on the front but I just can't bring myself to fixing it. Its sad that Trumpeter kind of dropped the ball on the Pz IV lower hull.:rolleyes:

Siim

sharkmouth 08-05-2007 08:03 PM

Hi Siim,

ALL their Panzer IV based kits, including the bridge layer, need the transmission cover hatch fixed, the front tow points fixed and more...

Regards,

lquah 08-05-2007 08:08 PM

Saul
Quote:

ALL their Panzer IV based kits, including the bridge layer, need the transmission cover hatch fixed, the front tow points fixed and more...
I was gonna ask about the bruckenleger. Thanks for the heads up. Looks like a kitbash with a Tristar/DML kit is needed.

LQ


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