SdKfz 124 Wespe [Archive]

Sturmmann

11-02-2008, 12:04 PM

Hello fellow modelers and friends,

Its time for a new build.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/Intro.jpg

Sorry for the pic, I guess I’ve been watching too much Japanese TV lately. :D Just a reminder, before the crowd starts yelling for me to throw away the model and buy the Tamiya one, remember that this is the kind of modeling I enjoy. :p This will be a great challenge. Also this will be a great opportunity to start a group build. Nothing fancy like the Stug build but if you have a self propelled gun lets join in a group build. The deadline is Dedember 31st !!! Who is up for it??

I will be using Edwards PE set to enhance some details.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/1.jpg

Well, enough talk, lets build. There were some ejection pin marks that needed to be taken care of. Some green putty took care of that.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/2.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/3.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/4.jpg

The hull was together now…

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/6.jpg

I found a small surprise when dry fitting the hull. There is a gap that needed filling. A small plastic strip got that in working order in no time!

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/7.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/8.jpg

The upper hull is done.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/9.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/10.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/11.jpg

See you around in the next update. And brake out those Self propelled guns!!! :thumb:

dave

Driver

11-02-2008, 03:12 PM

Hey! About time you started something new! But December 31st? I don't think so my friend. You're not that fast. :D

Ruben

James Tainton

11-02-2008, 04:13 PM

Interesting subject. (I like your opening graphic!)
I have the Tamiya kit sitting half built in a box that has been on the shelf for 10 years or so- it'll be fun to see your progress on this manufactures version.I wonder what with Dragon's recent Panzer II chassis releases of late that maybe they will have a Wespe for us at some point.

Gopher

11-02-2008, 04:50 PM

Good luck with tis kit Dave!

PS graphic is great ))))

Flak

11-02-2008, 08:45 PM

Nice start...Dave

Sturmmann

11-02-2008, 08:50 PM

But December 31st? I don't think so my friend. You're not that fast. :D

Ruben

Is that a challenge?? :D

Interesting subject. (I like your opening graphic!)
I have the Tamiya kit sitting half built in a box that has been on the shelf for 10 years or so- it'll be fun to see your progress on this manufactures version.I wonder what with Dragon's recent Panzer II chassis releases of late that maybe they will have a Wespe for us at some point.

Thanks James, too much Japanese TV lately. :rolleyes: How far along is your Wespe? Maybe you’ll get enough motivation to start on it again. ;)

Im sure Dragon (or any other model company) will eventually come out with a Wespe model. Right now the Bison I is going to be released so its all a matter of time.

Good luck with tis kit Dave!

Do you think I will need that much?

dave

Gopher

11-03-2008, 05:01 AM

Do you think I will need that much?

Definitely YES.

Panzergrenadier

11-03-2008, 10:54 AM

The first picture....:D:D:D

Yet again an old monster that needs some tough love.

I have a Tristar Stupa on the bench, but that might not qualify for the group build theme right now?

serpico

11-03-2008, 07:34 PM

The first picture....:D:D:D

Yet again an old monster that needs some tough love.

I have a Tristar Stupa on the bench, but that might not qualify for the group build theme right now?

Why not? It's an SPG right?

:D

I have the Tamiya kit with some goodies so maybe I'll join Dave, been awhile since I did anything here......

Sturmmann

11-04-2008, 11:30 AM

Definitely YES.

:D Don’t think so, the Mojo is running strong on this one….

I have a Tristar Stupa on the bench, but that might not qualify for the group build theme right now?

Yes it does! So without even knowing you already finished building before the group build started. Hahaha.

I have the Tamiya kit with some goodies so maybe I'll join Dave, been awhile since I did anything here......

That would be great!! You are more than welcome to join us! :thumb:

dave

Sturmmann

11-04-2008, 11:53 AM

Kreighshoer

11-04-2008, 12:09 PM

tried to resist ... tried hard to ... force ... strong ... force is so strong with this one ... resistance futile ... :o

damnit dave! i won't let the opportunity of a group build pass by without me!

would a SiG33 auf Pz.III be ok for you?

this lil' bugger:

http://www.modellbau-koenig.de/catalog/images/6042.JPG

DML 6042 is the last artillery piece left in my stash ...

The deadline is Dedember 31st !!! Who is up for it??

how about a later deadline? some more dramatic date like 02/02/2009 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad)? :rolleyes:

that would give me time enough to finish the vehicles on my bench eventually! :rolleyes:

cheers

skeletondude

11-04-2008, 03:56 PM

WHOA!!! WHAT THE...!?!? Laura, is that you???? :eek::eek::eek:

Long time no see...eeh..Talk, huh. :D
Nice to see you on PA again.

I might join in the madness aswell, if I can get myself some kit in time.

Marek

Panzergrenadier

11-04-2008, 04:36 PM

Marek, do you realize, that you would actually have to build the kit. Just getting it is not enough. Oh oh, and dare I say one actually has to finish the project...:D:D:D

You keep torturing yourself Dave....

RickLawler

11-04-2008, 05:06 PM

Marek, do you realize, that you would actually have to build the kit. Just getting it is not enough. Oh oh, and dare I say one actually has to finish the project...:D:D:D

Good one, Siim! Cracked me up!!

You keep torturing yourself Dave....
..... you make it all look so effortless as well.

Nice, nice, nice.

rick

Flak

11-04-2008, 07:55 PM

Looks good...

Sturmmann

11-04-2008, 09:51 PM

damnit dave! i won't let the opportunity of a group build pass by without me!

how about a later deadline?

:) Sorry Laura, at least you can always say, “he made me do it!” But I am really happy to have you come along for the build. The SiG33 is perfect! And I guess we can adjust the deadline, I just selected the end of the year to push myself, but the fun thing is not when the deadline is, but to have you all along for the ride.

WHOA!!! WHAT THE...!?!? Laura, is that you????

I might join in the madness aswell, if I can get myself some kit in time.

Yep, The Faulein is back!!! :D

Come on Marek, join us!

Marek, do you realize, that you would actually have to build the kit. Just getting it is not enough. Oh oh, and dare I say one actually has to finish the project...:D:D:D

Oh my, what a counter-attack!! :D

..... you make it all look so effortless as well.

Nice, nice, nice.

rick

Thanks Rick! By the way, what secret projects have you been working on lately? You know you should set apart some time and build a model just for yourself. We kind of miss your work around here.

dave

serpico

11-04-2008, 10:47 PM

Hello once again. Its election day today and amazingly everybody gets the day off here on the Island. So here is a small update on the build.

I discovered that all the suspension arms have nasty sinkholes due to poor sprue design.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/1-1.jpg

Luckily that’s nothing the green treatment cannot fix.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/2-1.jpg

In place now.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/3-1.jpg

Next item on my “fix list” is the return roller supports. It appears that the front and rear ones are in the wrong place. So I removed them with a saw blade,

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/4-1.jpg

Added a plastic disc to compensate for the material removed by the saw,

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/5-1.jpg

And glued them back in the correct spot.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/6-1.jpg

That’s the progress so far.

Model on!!!

dave

Good fix Dave but my Tamiya kit shows these return roller mounts with rectangular plates under the mounts. Looks like you got a decent reference book there as well.

Of course maybe this might mean nothing to you here but just thought I'd mention it...;)

You're ahead of me since I added the front flange bolts ( those holding the final drives I guess?)as these were missing, got the wheels together but just need to fill in the back inserts with putty or something to hide the gaps.

Along way to go.....:rolleyes:

Good Luck! Paul :D

skeletondude

11-05-2008, 12:42 AM

Marek, do you realize, that you would actually have to build the kit. Just getting it is not enough. Oh oh, and dare I say one actually has to finish the project...:D:D:D

You just killed my motivation..:D

Kreighshoer

11-05-2008, 09:38 AM

WHOA!!! WHAT THE...!?!? Laura, is that you???? :eek::eek::eek:

mh? i am afraid so :D

Long time no see...eeh..Talk, huh. :D
Nice to see you on PA again.

seems like someone missed my almost finished flak18 in the "model talk" axis section forum :rolleyes: (hint! hint!) ... now where is yours? :D

I might join in the madness aswell, if I can get myself some kit in time.

siim? time for some use of your force ...

concerning your build dave - tackling an alan kit, boy you really seem to have some bowling balls in your pants ... if i may say so and use that kind of language (SCNR)

sooo, what now? ask big kahuna to create a SPG group build section or individual vbench sbs's? in the last case i would have a smaller problem and would have to ask big kahuna to create either a zombie-vbench (ressurrect the ole and original one if possible) or a new one!

in any case my terror regime of music video loaded builds will return during this one!

uuuuuuuuuuuuh, how i missed it to spread fear and loathing on planetarmor (http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=1enywhs7vfk)

cheers

skeletondude

11-05-2008, 09:59 AM

seems like someone missed my almost finished flak18 in the "model talk" axis section forum :rolleyes: (hint! hint!) ... now where is yours? :D

Totally missed that one, thanks.
Mine, well, mine is somewhere on the shelf, waiting for paint.:D

Sturmmann

11-05-2008, 11:34 AM

Good fix Dave but my Tamiya kit shows these return roller mounts with rectangular plates under the mounts…

Of course maybe this might mean nothing to you here but just thought I'd mention it...;)

You're ahead of me since I added the front flange bolts ( those holding the final drives I guess?)as these were missing, got the wheels together but just need to fill in the back inserts with putty or something to hide the gaps.

Along way to go.....:rolleyes:

Good Luck! Paul :D

Paul,

You are totally correct. The return roller supports have rectangular plates underneath. I totally missed them. Considering the pros and con of replacing them, I think I will leave them like that since they wont be too visible once the rollers and track is on.

I do plan to add the bolts for the final drives as they are missing also. Post some pictures of your build Paul. It will be good to see these differences.

Laura,

Bowling Balls?? :eek: Hahaha you crack me up gurl! :D Its fun to build not so good kits you know.

I don’t think making a separate section will be a good idea. I think is better if we just build them here on the Vbench, called like a “flavor of the month” thing. Maybe getting your bench back wouldn’t be such a bad thing now, wouldn’t it?? ;)

P.S. the video rocks!!!

dave

Markus

11-05-2008, 12:37 PM

Nice one Dave!
Seems like it´s coming along.

You know guys,
just came home from a day full of shitty and hard work and this thread just made my day :D!
Cheers for that!
I would love to take part in this Group build thing with my Tamiya Wespe and CMK interior, but as I need to build a kit for an online contest, I won´t be able to :(.
We will see how I progress with it, maybe there will be some time inbetween.

Oh, and great choice for a song Laura.
Missed your terror regime of music ;).

Sturmmann

11-06-2008, 10:42 AM

Well Markus,

Modeling is supposed to cheer you up :D

Toobad about your Tamiya Marder, it would have been fun to see them side by side. :(

dave

Sturmmann

11-08-2008, 12:17 PM

Wow, this week a bunch of new people joined in and started their V-benches. That is exciting! Makes you want to do … well more modeling. :p

Time for the next update.

I started to add weld lines around the driver’s compartment and on the hinges of the hatch. I used the plastic rod + cement method for these.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/1-2.jpg

Then I added a few details on the engine firewall.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/2-2.jpg

More missing details

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/3-2.jpg

Next you have to install the fenders. Now since the fit in this kit is not the best I had to do some corrections in order to have the fender fit in place. I made a cut with the following dimensions.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/4-2.jpg

The cut.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/5-2.jpg

And the fender in place along with some more PE details.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/6-2.jpg

Until next time :thumb:

dave

RickLawler

11-08-2008, 01:11 PM

Nobody does it better, Dave.

Wow, this week a bunch of new people joined in and started their V-benches. That is exciting! Makes you want to do … well more modeling. :p
dave

Yep it is cool....lots of new, good talent. Really lights a fire.

rick

Driver

11-08-2008, 01:47 PM

Ahh! The glory of making old models shine like the new ones. Nothing compares to that!! :D

Great work Dave. :thumb:

Ruben

Flak

11-09-2008, 04:15 AM

Keep the great work coming...

plasticbattle

11-09-2008, 04:36 AM

Ahh! The glory of making old models shine like the new ones. Nothing compares to that!! :D
Nice progress so far Dave. Its very true .... seeing one of these "below par" kits being assembled is much more fun, as more tips and thought are needed. The newer smart kits are assembled too easily ... to necessitate blogging.

Sturmmann

11-09-2008, 08:59 PM

Guys, thanks for the encouraging comments.

Nice progress so far Dave. Its very true .... seeing one of these "below par" kits being assembled is much more fun, as more tips and thought are needed. The newer smart kits are assembled too easily ... to necessitate blogging.

I couldn’t agree more. While is great to have detailed kits, it takes away some of the fun in modeling.

Good fix Dave but my Tamiya kit shows these return roller mounts with rectangular plates under the mounts.

Good Luck! Paul :D

Ever since Paul pointed out that I missed the return roller support plates I’ve been thinking on how to fix this oversight. The problem was that with the fenders on it was impossible to remove the supports and add the plates. That is until….
…well until Ruben thought of a very ingenious way to solve the problem. I liked the idea and tried it straight away. Here are the results.

I started with marking a roughly 5mm x 5mm piece on a strip of plastic.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/1-3.jpg

Next, using a punch & die set a hole the same diameter of the return roller supports was cut out from the plastic.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/2-3.jpg

Then I separated the “would be” plate.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/3-3.jpg

The part fitted around the return roller supports all the way down to the base making them indistinguishable from a base plate.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/4-3.jpg

Now it was a matter of bolting them down with hexagonal rod bolts. ;)

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/5-3.jpg

There you have it. Thanks to Ruben for the idea.

dave

Moon Puppy

11-09-2008, 09:43 PM

Dang man, looks like an Engineer at work here...

RickLawler

11-09-2008, 10:11 PM

VOODOO!!!! :eek: You islanders and your crafty ways... ;)

Good idea Ruben - Good execution Dave, I really like seeing you work your spells.

rick

Fledermaus

11-10-2008, 07:04 AM

DD, nice fix :thumb:, this is what make this kits so fun to build :D and this are the kits that make you a better modeler and develop new skills :cool:

Gopher

11-10-2008, 07:40 AM

Great work Dave!
keep it up!

Driver

11-10-2008, 11:29 AM

Nice to see that my idea worked so well. :)

Good job Dave! :thumb:

Ruben

James Tainton

11-10-2008, 01:54 PM

Here is a pic I took at Munster of the suspension.
http://panzerfaust.sslpowered.com/planetArmor/General/wespe_sus.jpg

Panzergrenadier

11-10-2008, 05:08 PM

Looking funky !:thumb:

Sturmmann

11-15-2008, 12:34 PM

Hello Planeteers and friends,

Guys, thanks for the nice comments.

James, thanks for sharing the photo of the suspension, you don’t happen to have a photo of the fighting compartment you could share? It would be of great help.

I am about to head for Ruben’s place and check things out as he makes the water for the Flak dio. But first its time for an update on this week’s work.

I place removed all the detail from the rear plate and set it in place. Again I noticed a nasty gap between the plate and the hull.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/1-4.jpg

And again a plastic strip save the day.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/2-4.jpg

Next it was time to rebuild the tow pintle. This is one of those things that makes you wonder what were you thinking when you decided in making this from scratch. :rolleyes: It started as some bits of plastic.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/3-4.jpg

Next I added some more bits of plastic and some green putty.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/4-4.jpg

Finally here is the tow pintle along with the exhaust and the convoy light.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/5-4.jpg

Next I moved to the front of the vehicle where some serious work had to be done with the tow hooks. The original model’s were so bad that I decided to make them from scratch. I made them out of plastic and added some green stuff in order for them not to look flat.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/6-3.jpg

Next up where the parts where the spare track bar would go. They started as bits of plastic.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/7-1.jpg

Next some more bits of plastic were added.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/8-1.jpg

And finally here they are in place.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/9-1.jpg

Well, I hope you enjoy this update, as always any suggestions are welcome.

Have a great weekend!

dave

canjuaan

11-15-2008, 02:31 PM

Great work here! I'm always impressed how scratch builders create two parts absolutely similar. Especially in this size.

Johannes

Markus

11-15-2008, 03:26 PM

Hats off Dave!
Most guys would have taken the shortcut and used the Tamiya kit (me included :D ), so I´m very impressed how you tackle this kit.
Great work, really.

Robcio

11-15-2008, 03:53 PM

Dave, you are doing very hard work with those details as I see, great job, keep it up soldier!:thumb:

James Tainton

11-15-2008, 04:07 PM

James, thanks for sharing the photo of the suspension, you don’t happen to have a photo of the fighting compartment you could share? It would be of great help.
Great work, glad you liked the pic.
I hope I'm not to late with these additional pics.
(just click on the photo)
http://panzerfaust.sslpowered.com/planetArmor/wespe/Wespe%20und%20me.jpg (https://panzerfaust.sslpowered.com/planetArmor/wespe/index.htm#4)

Sturmmann

11-17-2008, 10:54 AM

Thanks for the nice comments guys!

This model requires a lot of rebuilding and that can be quite tedious and frustrating, but it can be a kind of therapy to try and solve all the building issues. :) Real fun actually.

James, awesome picturtes, thanks! :thumb: They will be of great help, especially the interior shots!

dave

M*D*R*S

11-17-2008, 08:06 PM

Nice build.. very intensive.... :)...

serpico

11-17-2008, 09:35 PM

Dave,

You've certainly made progress.....love the detail fixes.

I hurt my back about a week ago so I'm just today trying to get back in the groove...nice progress and good fix on the return roller mounts. Hopefully I can post a few pics soon...

James,

Terrific pics and thanks for posting...:thumb:

I knew there was something different/simpler about the final drive mounts on these Wespes, they're slightly different than the Panzer II. :)

Regards from the Twilight zone...

serpico

11-24-2008, 07:58 PM

Dave,

Great work here.....but I'm glad I don't have to do all this to the Tamiya kit...;)

Good job!

brokeneagle

11-24-2008, 09:07 PM

Good luck Dave. You have done an amazing amount of work so far- it looks great.

serpico

11-25-2008, 09:05 PM

I've decided instead to build the Sturer Emil, since there's already a couple of Wespes.....:D

Will add a bit more variety in the chosen subjects as well and I want to try some different painting techniques too. Should be interesting...

:)

Sturmmann

11-26-2008, 06:35 PM

Thanks for the encouraging comments guys. :thumb:

Serpico, I hope you’ll have a speedy recovery and I am glad you will be joining the SPG group build. I think your choice is a good one, very interesting vehicle too. I will be looking forward to see your build.

dave

serpico

12-03-2008, 11:31 PM

Anything new to post Dave?

I'm almost done with the lower hull and wheels so at least I've been busy...:rolleyes: I know it's not much but better than nothing right?

I will post some remarks about the build with some photos soon, interesting model to say the least.

I will say I'm not too crazy about the fact the roadwheels are in 2 halves but so far looking ok.

Later...:D

serpico

12-04-2008, 10:31 PM

Hi Guys,

Here's a couple progress photos...not an SBS but I'll try to keep you updated.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/alamagordo/Sturer%20Emil/IMG_0969.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a228/alamagordo/Sturer%20Emil/IMG_0968.jpg

I probably should've re-sized the pics but I was in a hurry. Came out ok I think.

I completed the wheels tonight but I still need to clean them up, there was some flash on the front of the Idlers but not too difficult to remove.

I found it a little bit odd the wheels are in 2 halves, with alot of plastic to remove from the edges after cutting from the sprues. Maybe they figured the detail would be crisper?

The fenders and upper part are not glued yet.

I like how they designed the wheel axles, a hexagon that fits snugly into the hull openings to insure good alignment. The detail is good on the wheel faces...sooooo

Not much else happening now so on to step 6 and 7.

Later, Paul :thumb:

panzerjager

12-08-2008, 08:26 AM

Wonderful Job Dave!!! Is oustanding how you solve that troubles with the kit!

Waiting updates

Saludos

Darío

Sturmmann

12-31-2008, 12:21 PM

Saludos guys!!!

Happy New Year to everyone!!

Thanks for the encouraging comments. Paul, nice progress. I think it looks very good, how was the fit between the upper structure shields?

Work and other commitments have kept me away from posting, but not from modeling. Here is an update of the work so far.

I started working with the main gun.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/1-5.jpg

I added a gun barrel from Jordi Rubio. The kit’s plastic barrel is too long and the aluminum is the right length. I also scratched some parts as some parts like the hydraulic cylinders are just horrible. I did this one using brass tubbing.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/2-5.jpg

Next up are the gun shields. They were supposed to have a flange bolted to the inner corner. So to make this I used a strip of brass roughly 2mm wide.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/3-5.jpg

Then I bent it using a “5speed” tool.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/4-5.jpg

The metal flange in place.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/5-5.jpg

I made some plastic bolts using plastic hexagonal rod.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/6-4.jpg

Here are some photos of the complete gun assembly.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/7-2.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/8-2.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/9-2.jpg

I added some of the bolts under the gun using plastic rods.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Wespe/10-1.jpg

Next up is the fighting compartment.

See you on the next update.

dave

Lost legionar

12-31-2008, 03:56 PM

So that's what the question about the nuts were about.:D

Great as always, and inspirational to all. You can't believe how many are glued to your post and your inventions.

How did you glue the nuts? Krazy glue, or Future floor wax or diluted acrylic gloss medium?

I was planning to work with you guys (Vodoo Boys) this weekend, but Din mentioned that we'll have to wait till the 10th.:yell:

Well there's lots of time to model in between. So as you say "Model on!"