Sturmi Marjatta WIP.

[Uruk-Hai]

Hello Fellows!

Heres my Sturmi in progress but I have a few questions that I hope your Finnish friends could help me with.

http://www.kitpic.com/is.php?i=36933&img=Sturmi_5_XX.JPG

1. Should this box be removed when Im adding the new storage box?
2. Were both antennas used on this vehicle and was it the longer german type?
3. Did the Finns have sparetracks here as the Germans had?

http://www.kitpic.com/is.php?i=36932&img=Sturmi_4_XX.JPG

4. Should I add a bit of tarp here as protective?

http://www.kitpic.com/is.php?i=36931&img=Sturmi_3.jpg

http://www.kitpic.com/is.php?i=36930&img=Sturmi_2_XX.JPG

5. I could really use a picture of the DT machine gun mount especially with the gun mounted? And were the shell catching bag attached in combat?

http://www.kitpic.com/is.php?i=36929&img=Sturmi_1_XX.JPG

6. I dont think I understand how the cupola is supposed to be, even after reading the post here:
http://www.andreaslarka.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=67

I understand that the scissorscope should be attached to the upper flat ring. But what did the mount look like and how should the hatch be positioned?

Cheers

[Uruk-Hai]

Bumping my own post.
Please Mikko or Andreas, help me out to finnish this project, pardon the pun?

Cheers

[Andreas Larka]

1. Should this box be removed when Im adding the new storage box?
2. Were both antennas used on this vehicle and was it the longer german type?
3. Did the Finns have sparetracks here as the Germans had?
4. Should I add a bit of tarp here as protective?
5. I could really use a picture of the DT machine gun mount especially with the gun mounted? And were the shell catching bag attached in combat?
6. I dont think I understand how the cupola is supposed to be, even after reading the post here:
I understand that the scissorscope should be attached to the upper flat ring. But what did the mount look like and how should the hatch be positioned?


1) Yes
2) Yes. Is there a shorter "Finnish type" available?
3) Yes.
4) No. The early ones had the bigger tarp covering the front part of the roof. It had a hole for the gun.
5) The stand is quite simple. Just a piece of metal with a hole in it. I don't think that the bag was attached in combat.
http://www.andreaslarka.net/ps531010/2004_53101026.jpg
http://www.ipmsfinland.org/galleria/referenssit/ekskursioparolanpanssarimuseolle/kuvat/001.JPG
6) The scissorscope should be located behind the plated over periscope and the hatch hinges should be on the opposite side. Judging from your picture, just flip the upper ring 180 degrees.

[Uruk-Hai]

Thanks, Andreas! That helped very much.

Is there any pictures of the earlier type or is it of the same type the Germans used?

When it comes to the cupola. I dont think I still dont understand. Left in the picture Ive posted is the front of the Sturmi. Should the "blind" spot of the cupola be facing forward and have the scissor scope?

Ive actually also thought of building Marjatta after the conversions as well.

Cheers

[lquah]

Janne

The following photo on Andreas' site should help

http://www.andreaslarka.net/ps531042/2007_53104214.jpg

Lawrence

[Panzergrenadier]

COOL project you have going on there.:thumb:

[AfRiKaKoRpS]

Cool work Janne and good to see your project close to "finish" ;).


Chris

[Andreas Larka]

Should the "blind" spot of the cupola be facing forward and have the scissor scope?
Yes.

And the same in Swedish: Om man tänker sig att kupolen är vänd rakt framåt (den är ju 360 grader vridbar) så skall den igensvetsade biten vara vänd framåt, och kikaren skall sticka upp bakom den. Givetvis så måste då luckan vara fastsatt mitt emot, dvs. vid det bakre periskopet / prismat.

Dragon har gjort sin modell efter en senare, icke vridbar, årsmodell. Där var den igensvetsade biten bak och periskopet / prismat fram. Och naturligtvis kikaren där fram. Detta är dock fel för dessa tidigare årsmodeller.

[Mark S. Pryor]

Janne

This is also from Andreas' site.

http://www.andreaslarka.net/ps531008/2003_53100807.jpg

Hope it helps. It is from #531-8 'Aili"

Also.

http://www.andreaslarka.net/ps531010/2004_53101019.jpg
labled rotating commander's cupola.

http://www.andreaslarka.net/ps531011/2007_53101114.jpg
http://www.andreaslarka.net/ps531026/53102619.jpg



Mark

[Uruk-Hai]

Thanks everybody!

Now everything is cleat or at least I think so. :D

Cheers

[Evan August]

Nice start. What thickness styrene do you use for the spare wheel mounts?

[Uruk-Hai]

Ive used 0.3mm plastic card for the mounts. Do you think they look to thick?

On the rack that Ive built to be placed in the rear Ive used 0.5mm. Its somewhat overscale but the 0.3 were to flimsy and I didint have any suitalble metal that was hard enough.

Cheers

[Evan August]

I think they look good, was more curious about what you used so I could try it myself! I tried it before, but the plastic was way too flimsy.

[Paccus]

Hi there Janne. So this is where you're hiding ;).

Nice work on your Sturmi. Is it Dragon's SmartKit ?

Guess you'll be doing hard edge cammo on this one. I can really recommend to work with Blue Tac. I will make a very simple sbs in my own thread on this matter.

Keep it up. / Mattias Larsson, Sweden :cool:

[Uruk-Hai]

Yup, Dragons kit with only minor modifications.

I will put up more pictures over the weekend.

Cheers

[Uruk-Hai]

Heres more pictures.

The build is more or less finnished unless the ones with more knowledge than me would differ.

Left to do is to put on a string to act as rope tying down the tarp. I will do that after Ive primed the vehicle and then glued the tarp in position.

Also have to add the DT-5 machinegun. I was going to recast the one supplied with Dragons T34/85 when I found out that Modelkasten has one due to Brett Greens article on Hyperscale.

The crewman will get earphones and throatmicrophone. Please comment on his pose, pose of the left hand or if the head looks big?

http://www.kitpic.com/is.php?i=37019&img=Sturmi_47.jpg

http://www.kitpic.com/is.php?i=37020&img=Sturmi_49.jpg

http://www.kitpic.com/is.php?i=37021&img=Sturmi_51.jpg

http://www.kitpic.com/is.php?i=37022&img=Sturmi_52.jpg

Im also wondering about buying some decals. Anyone who can recomend any set? I have found these that seems to be available.

http://www.wiking.fi/eng/wikingdecals.htm

http://www.7thkompany.com/7thk1/pakdecals2ing.htm

Cheers

[Paccus]

Looks great Janne. Trying to convince myself not to push the order button.
Also great that you found a DT-5.

The figures head do look a bit big. It's an old Verlinden head, right ?

The pose is good but if he shall be resting on his right arm/elbow it will look better if the arm is closer to his body. Maybe lean the body even more to the right, thus straighten his left arm to better keep the balance.
A nice touch could be to use one of Hornet's heads that's turned to either the right or left. Preferably in the same direction as he is leaning.

For what it's worth / Mattias Larsson, Sweden :cool:

[Ropi]

The guy looks OK. The build looks great!

[Panzergrenadier]

To me it looks ok from every angle. Can't wait for paint.

[Uruk-Hai]

Thanks for the comments, fellows.

I will replace the head with one from the Hornet range and try to sculpt a Finnish field cap. I will resculpt the hand and try to change the pose with the arm. Hope to update you in a short while.

Cheers

[Flak]

Looks good...

[RickLawler]

Well, well...this is a pretty sweet looking build.

I agree with the comments that Mattias made about the figure. You asked particularly about the left arm, but my attention was drawn to the right, something isn't quite natural...but I believe that you are working on the fix. And, yep, a Hornet head will do wonders.

The painting will be a real treat to follow.

[Uruk-Hai]

So, I have repositioned the crewman tonight and changed the head. I put on a fieldcap from a Dragon Gen2 set from which I cut of the crow and shortened the brim. Some gaps are to be filled if you like this one better and I will also add some height to the right shoulder. Also the missing thumb on the left hand will be added. Im also in progress adding headphones and throat microphone from Royal Models.

Please let me know how you feel about the pose.

Cheers

http://www.kitpic.com/is.php?i=37032&img=Sturmiman_55.jp.jpg

http://www.kitpic.com/is.php?i=37033&img=Sturmiman_59.jp.jpg

http://www.kitpic.com/is.php?i=37034&img=Sturmiman_60.jp.jpg

http://www.kitpic.com/is.php?i=37035&img=Sturmiman_61.jp.jpg

[the_dagger]

Lookin' really good!

[RickLawler]

Janne, much better. If you can get his right forearm and hand to rest on the surface I think you'll have it.

Looking great.

[Paccus]

Much better Janne :thumb:.

I agree with Rick about modeling his right arm so that it really rests on the turret ring.

One more thing. Wouldn't it look really cool if he was holding a tobacco pipe in his right hand. The way the hand is fitted now, together with his pose will make it look perfect.

Later / Mattias Larsson, Sweden :cool:

[Uruk-Hai]

Well, I have to face the fact that I cant finnish(pardon the pun) within the deadline. Many changes has been made, mostly regarding the figure and everything is at the stage primed Chaos Black.

But if theres no miracle as an extension I will have to throw in the towel.

Thanks for all the help and support from you all with this project.

Cheers

[RickLawler]

Deadline or not, please don't throw in the towel. Keep working and posting, I'm enjoying and learning a lot from your build.

Rick

[Uruk-Hai]

Dont worry, Im still on it.

Now I need your opinions whether the camoflage pattern looks the part.
Heres the pictures.

http://www.kitpic.com/is.php?i=37514&img=Sturmi_paint_00.jpg

http://www.kitpic.com/is.php?i=37517&img=4022Sturmi_paint_00.jpg

http://www.kitpic.com/is.php?i=37515&img=8000Sturmi_paint_00.jpg

http://www.kitpic.com/is.php?i=37516&img=4147Sturmi_paint_00.jpg

Heres some sample of what I tried to accomplish.

http://www.andreaslarka.net/ps531008/Aili_piirros_2007.jpg

http://www.andreaslarka.net/ps531008/2003_53100850.jpg

The last two pictures are from Andreas Lärkas homepage with load of informations. Thanks to Andreas for the help provided with this build.
http://www.andreaslarka.net/ps531008/ps531008.html
http://www.andreaslarka.net/sturmi.html

Now lets hear your comments!

Cheers

[Nate]

I like the painting
Compared to the samples your colors look a bit brighter but I think it will fit after the weathering

[RickLawler]

Pretty damn close, nice work!

The one thing I notice, as compared to the sample, is that your light sand areas tend to be even stripes, where in the reference those areas tend to have some thicker areas of bubbles and bulges (how's that for tech-talk?).

Not sure if it's worth worrying about, however.

You definately have a nice piece in the works, congrats.

Rick

[Uruk-Hai]

Very good point about the bulges, Rick! Ill see if I can touch it up tonight already.

Cheers

[Striker]

very nice start

[MikkoH]

Hi Janne. Looks good. Green and brown match to my eye but sandgrey is just too "dunkelgelb". Go to visit IPMS Finland site and from there you find good samples on finnish camo colours. Keep up good work!

[Uruk-Hai]

A few question Mikko!

I was under the impression that the green and brown was put over the dunkelgelb in some occassions and in others the whole tank were repainted in sandgrey, green and brown. At least thats my take on the pictures Ive provided.

Cheers

[MikkoH]

To my knowledge Sturmis were wholly repainted.

Edit: I meant those early Sturmis that came before summer 44.

[Uruk-Hai]

I now see what you mean Mikko. I couldnt navigate on the IPMS-Finland due to my non-existen finnish. :)

Andreas have been soo kind to explain the matter to me. The reason for my misinterpretition is the colourplates where I have though the light colour to be either dunkelgelb or a midgrey.

I will repaint this vehicle but probably not within the coming three weeks. Then I update again.

Thanks for all support to everyone.

Cheers

[MikkoH]

http://www.ipmsfinland.org/artikkeli_artikkelit_suomalaisenpanssarikalustonko lmivarikaavio19431-945.html

and

http://www.ipmsfinland.org/artikkeli_artikkelit_suomalaisenmaakalustonnaamiom aalit.html

In finnish but could be helpful I hope. Gives you for grey: 10 parts Humbrol 72 and 1 part Humbrol 170.

[Driver]

Hi Janne, great Sturmi you got there!
Here's an article that can be of help about the colors:

http://www.hyperscale.com/features/2000/sturmi2.html

and here's another:

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/sturmireferencebg_1.html

Hope it helps.

Ruben