DML Panther G späte

[panzerjager]

Months ago, a spanish friend has give me this kit, except the turret, that he use as base for a panzerkommandant figure.
So, I must to use another turret for this cat. I have and old Italeri kit, builded 12 years ago :S , a mantlet from DML kit and a cupula from DML's "Achtung Jabo!" figure kit
I want to buils a Panther with stripes cammo, I thinks they fight in february '45 in Seelow Heights:

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/bandas01.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3166.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3167.jpg

So, I've started the kit, but still I've no decided the colors. Will see

Regards

Darío

[Flak]

Nice start...keep it up

[marcb]

If you want to you could add the Armorscale late Panther gun barrel, it comes with a resin chin mantlet.

Btw, did you notice the painted "G" on the front hull?

[panzerjager]

Thanks guys. MArc, I can't see the "G" :( Are you sure?

Cheers

Darío

[AfRiKaKoRpS]

Thanks guys. MArc, I can't see the "G" :( Are you sure?

Cheers

Darío

Here you go Dario, Ausf.G with Kin Mantlet :)

http://www.armorscale.com/products/barrels35/B35-016/

Hope it helps.

Chris

[amba]

Thanks guys. MArc, I can't see the "G" :( Are you sure?

Cheers

Darío

Hi Dario,

it's a bit clearer in this picture
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e315/ambjoern/pzVg.jpg

-Ambjoern

[panzerjager]

Ahhhh! OK, but they are not the same tank :( Do you say all of them carry that "G" ?
And Amjoern, do you has finished your Panther G? Is there pictures?
regards

Darío

[panzerjager]

Anybody has been in trouble with the left rear box, like me? :(

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3175.jpg

As you can see in the red circle, there is a little molded piece that interfere with right alignement of the left box

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3176.jpg

Any idea?

Regards

Darío

[skeletondude]

I guess you can always cut off that piece and re-glue it again,Dario.

Marek

[panzerjager]

Thanks, I know that, but....it is the right way? I can't believe DML has maked this part so wrong :(

Regards

Darío

[skeletondude]

Ah..Okay, but it's a pretty small thing, and it's barely noticable.
Waiting for more. :)

Marek

[Desmo94]

Hello,

Don't remove it. Because it represents a small piece of steal from where come the electric cable for the rear light.
I hope you understand me.
Sorry but I don't have any pics to show.

Cédric.

[panzerjager]

OK Cedric, I will search for a picture, but....the box wil don't fix OK :(

Cheers

Darío

[amba]

Ahhhh! OK, but they are not the same tank :( Do you say all of them carry that "G" ?
And Amjoern, do you has finished your Panther G? Is there pictures?
regards

Darío

Hi Dario,

dunno if they all had G's but many of them did. I think it depends on the manufacturer.

My Panther G is still on the shelve, I haven't started it yet...:o

-Ambjoern

[panzerjager]

OOPPSS!! Ambjoern, I'm confused with this: http://www.planetarmor.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2113
:@

Darío

[Desmo94]

I am back with pics this time to explain ;)

I didn't build the DML panther Kit but for me it seems to be good.
Note on the first pic that the rears boxs are not really in contact with the rear plate:

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/4935/p1010175hf7.jpg

On the second pic you can see the little molded piece from where the electric cable arrive.

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/571/p1010205hn9.jpg

Hope this can help you.

Bye

Cédric

[panzerjager]

Of course it helps!!!! Thanks!!!

Now, a new question. Anybody knows what are those little pins pointed with the blue lines?
And the other question was partially answered by Cèdric, its referre to the chain that fix the towing pintle, where it was soldered?

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3175b.jpg

Regards

Darío

PS: BTW, my tow "pintle" (sorry, I don't know is right name) is not glued and he go on the other side

[sam_dwyer]

HI Dario

Those pins are to mount the cold weather starter - it was a little 2 stroke motor that attached to the back of the tank, a shaft ran into an internal flywheel on the back of the engine block of the panther - to help the vehicle start in cold weather. You have followed the DML instructions.. and mounted them upside down!

Sam

[panzerjager]

I Knew it!!!!!! :( That is for no to check out reference pics.
Thanks Sam

[panzerjager]

Trying to make the new turret: I used an old Italeri kit turret. As you know, this turret is too "small", so, it needs more wide. I've tried with the extra zimmerit parts provided for Italeri, but....I don't like it, so I use some plastic sheet. Thanks to Bayer and Movistar for the plastic sheets :D
I rebuilt tje welding markings with a blade attached to a "pirograbber"

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3178.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3179.jpg

I REALLY hope this work !!

[Bravo Tango]

some pretty serious work happening here Dario.

It is coming along nicely

Brian T

[marcb]

The "G" is painted on some Panthers, the discussion on it's meaning is still on. In your pic it's located below the hull mg mount and slightly above the weld between the upper and lower front hull armor.

[panzerjager]

Hmmm I don't know if post the next pictures are right. I'll be considered.....a killer or ....butcher or ....something :(

The Italeri turret dont fit in the DML hull, so......somebody say major surgery?

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3181.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3182.jpg

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http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3184.jpg

I repeat...I really hope this work :S

Darío

[RickLawler]

Ouch!

[panzerjager]

I know, Rick...It hurts, ah? I promise not do it again. :)

Darío

[Kreighshoer]

:eek: :eek: :eek: WTF?

but good work darío! :thumb:

cheers

[marcb]

You're a brave man!

That home made hot knife looks very usefull.
Just in case the save doesn't work, you can order separate sprues from Tamiya. Either trough the local importer or Rainbow Ten in Japan. It's pretty cheap.

Looking forward to the next update!

[Flak]

Very cool home made HOT knife :)

[Larry Bates]

I like where you're going Darius. If you need some detail drawings or pics let me know. ;)

Laz

[panzerjager]

Thank you guys.
Larry, I acept any drawings or pictures of the turret's roof, where it encounter the mantlet. There is a deflector there and a little square piece in the middle.

Thanks

Darío

[panzerjager]

Two days without PC help me to advance, he he

Dry fit
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3212.jpg

Making the hole for the copula
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3221.jpg

Scene layout
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3222.jpg

Verlinden's Panther Ausf.A Detail set periscopes added
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3223.jpg

Regards

Darío

[RickLawler]

Pretty amazing work, Dario.

Two days without PC help me to advance, he he

I hear you, that computer is a distraction just waiting to happen!!!

[Larry Bates]

Darius,

Looks like you're doing a great job. Sorry I forgot about some plans for the turret. Let me know if you still need them.

Laz

[Flak]

Pretty COOL...

[panzerjager]

Thanks guys. Is good that you like my job :)
Larry, don't worry, I got Trojca drawings and a lot of pictures of Aberdeen and Patton Museums "Bagheeras"

Boys, I need you help with the stripped Panthers. I got some questions:
1) The stripped cammo is specific from a factory? (MAN, MNH or DB?)
2) In which month began to use the camo?
3) Units that used those Panthers?

Thanks in advance

Darío

[panzerjager]

I spend an hour making the little chains for the pins that secure the spare track links. I made them with copper wire

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/SSCN3225.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3226.jpg

Regards

Darío

[pwranta193]

Man, I am sooooo digging them track chains - braid then flatten? I'll be copying this soon. What cool innovation. Dario :thumb:

Oh, that and the "Dr. Frankenstein, your hot knife has arrived" picture. I'll bet your parents loved it the first time you tore apart the toaster :D

Off the top of my head, Sheeds might have the answers for your paint job question.

[Larry Bates]

Darius,

The chains are awesome. What a great idea. I'll also be copying that one :thumb:

As far as your other question about striped camo. I believe MAN and MNH used the striped camo. I don't remember where I read about it, as I looked through my book on the Panther by Jentz and Doyle. I seem to remember that the stripes were an interpretation from Wa Pruef about applying paint patterns. So, If I remember correctly, It was base coat dunkelgruen, and Rotbraun, with dunklgelb ( and this is the part where the interpretation comes in) something about sparingly something........something. I'll keep looking. You can find many photos of striped panthers here on Panthers pics thread. This also is probably where the discussion was on the striped camo. Happy searching.

Laz

[panzerjager]

Paul, the chain trick is from an old Todo Modelismo spanish magazine. Is an easy subsitute of the FG chains
Lary, I've downloaded teh ¡41! pages of Panther pìcs post. I'm searching now, but I'm afraid the answers is not there :(

Thank guys for comment

Darío

[panzerjager]

More advances in the turret. I build the "chin" with plastic sheet and epoxi putty.
I make the thin sheet under the mantlet with aluminum sheet and added the 2 pins to the sides

The others pictures shows the chains and pins in place

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3228.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3230.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3231.jpg

regards

Darío

[Larry Bates]

Nice job, :thumb:

I'll keep looking for that info, I'm not sure I can give you the unit info though.

Laz

[panzerjager]

Don't worry Larry ;(
Scene layout
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3232.jpg

Sorry, still not decided the heads

Darío

[panzerjager]

Hi. This damn chinned mantlet has drive me crazy!!
I paint some parts, because I'm boring of that grey :)

Continue fighting, I mean, working
Please let me know what you think
Darío

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3248.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3249.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3250.jpg

[Panzergrenadier]

Rather cool!:thumb:

[skeletondude]

I like it, Dario! :thumb:

Marek

[Flak]

Looks cool...

[panzerjager]

Thanks guys. Yesterday I've almost finished the turret, I think. Pictures in a couple of hours, when I'll back from school shopping for my son :@

Darío

[panzerjager]

Final stages in building. I added some datails like the poison gas detector support, the horseshoe-like structure in turret, aim device, MG ring, a couple of handles and the rain proteccion in the mantlet

What do you think about the interior of hatches colors? Green or red primer?

Thanks

Darío

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3254.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3255.jpg

[RickLawler]

I'll be damned if you didn't build yourself a Panther out of scrap!!! The paint sure brings it all together nicely.

This is a pretty remarkable build Dario.

[Larry Bates]

Looking real nice Dario :thumb:

Laz

[lquah]

Dario

Nice work so far :thumb:

Laz2

[panzerjager]

Thanks guys!
Now the hard part: the cammo: freehand or masking ????? Ideas????? Please!!??? Any idea work!!!! Seriously!!!! :D

Darío

[panzerjager]

OK, no ideas? So...let's paint!!!!!!
After praying a lot, encommended my soul to Saint Dragon, take air....... breath..... here we go!!!!

First, a little sketch in Trojca drawings, with color pencils


http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3259.jpg

Then I lightly draw the separation between bands with dark yellow

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3260.jpg


Take more air.....another pray ....and Tamiya XF 64


http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3262.jpg

Finally, dunkelgelb (Tamiya XF60 + XF57 60:40) for separing the bands or stripes

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3263.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3264.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3265.jpg

Anyway....some retouches are needed...but the base is here...... FIUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!

Regards
Darío

[Flak]

Looks good...Can't wait to see it in finish :thumb:

[panzerjager]

Thanks Marco
I'm making some details for the scenary. Please let me know what you think about theese barbed wires, builded with copper wire:

Wich one is more "scaled" ? The thinner one is maded with just one wire, with thinner "knots". The thicked is maded with 2 wires and same gauge "Knots"

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3269.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3270.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3271.jpg

Thanks

Darío

[canjuaan]

I like the thinner one better.

Johannes

[RickLawler]

2 votes for thinner!

[skeletondude]

Make that 3!

[Instructorrob]

here's 4.

And nice camo!

[Jan Peters]

Thin
Jan ;)

[panzerjager]

Thinner wins!!! Thanks!!!

Darío

[greybeard]

Dario, nice model. Don't buy this wire from a hobby store! Go find a dead computer, pull out the power supply, and rip it apart. The transformers inside will give you a lifetime supply! Dead telephones and other devices also have a rich store of different guages, some of them very fine.

Cheers
Scott Fraser

[panzerjager]

Thanks Scott, but....I've never buyied copper wire; I've collected them trough the years, and I have all kind of gauges: I pick up from street or take it from cables that I used ti repair some electric things at home, or from olds earphones, etc :)

Darío

[Evan August]

looks nice

[kinfa-t]

5th

Nice paint job, what kind of decals are you putting?
Is that maybe a Muncherberg division, Germany 1945?
I am about to start my own project as well.

[panzerjager]

Thanks Evan & Tomislav.
I've interested in Muncherberg Div. or Küstrin's Panthers, but I'm not shure about markings :(
I've asked in ML http://www.network54.com/Forum/47207/thread/1202488560/Looking+for+Pz+Div.+M%FCncheberg+Panthers+pics
but seems I'm wrong with Küstrin's units. Any idea?

Darío

[kinfa-t]

Just to ask if anybody knows, what are the colour on MM enamael standard?

[panzerjager]

There is no much advances, just the terrain, unpainted, maked with papier maché. The tank has some washes with acrilics and artist oils colors.

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3282.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3283.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3284.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3285.jpg


Regards

Darío

[FINbuster]

Looking good! i like the wire and the corrugated steel plate , how did you build that or is it bought?

[panzerjager]

Thanks RL. I try to represent a corrugated zinc plate, so a take a corrugated cardboard sheet that my childrens use in school. I peel off a part of the sheet and...done

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3288.jpg


Now a question for all: the tow cable provided by DML is OK? or is better change it for other in builded from copper wire?

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3287.jpg

Thanks

Darío

[canjuaan]

Well, I think DML's tow cable is okay, but nothing more. Karaya would be much better.
Don't forget to anneal the cable so you can bend it more easily.

Johannes

[Panzergrenadier]

I must say this is progressing well.:thumb:

[panzerjager]

More advances with the terrain: a coat of brown acrilic (when it dry becomes too dark) Another coat or sand acrilic, oil washes to the wires and the metal sheet (previously painted with aluminum) and to the "sticks"

It wont be longed yeh, yeh, yeh, yeh (Beatles dixit) :lol:

Darío

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3289.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3290.jpg

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http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3292.jpg

[Flak]

Looks nice...

[panzerjager]

Thanks Marco
A few advances:
I repaint the terrain with acrilic in a lighter color.
The sheet were 3 more times repainted :( I finally decided for a mix of aluminum and light grey
I added some "grass" with a natural plant (helecho plumoso) for the short and cañamo finer for the tall ones. Some little branches and leaves were added too
I added the tow cables and some "dust" to the tank with Tamiya Acrilic first and artist pastels later
Now, the hard part: figures :(
Sorry about the pics, I don't handle the white balance still
Darío

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3340.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3341.jpg

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http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3346b.jpg

[Primus]

Dario, it looks awsome! Just one thing;are you going to weather the wheels some more? They look very clean as oppose to the ground.

[Panzergrenadier]

Getting along well! One thing...maybe make the shapes of the shrubs a bit more random, they look too alike now.

[panzerjager]

Primus: the wheels are dirty....but I'm a terrific photographer !!!! :(
Siim: Yes sir, I don't like that shrubs too :( I've added some more.

Thanks for look and comment

Darío

[panzerjager]

First color on the "dummies". All from DML (Achtung Jabo! and Nachtjägers Berlin '45)
I know, figures are not my bisness, uh? :D

Regards

Darío

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3454.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k182/panzerjager_2006/Maquetas%202008/DSCN3455.jpg

[FINbuster]

I think the figures look quite good! The camo on the pants looks excellent. Your panther and goundwork are impressive. I do agree with Siim that the shrubs look too similar, you could try cutting them to diffrent lenghts and give them some colour variation? I'm watching this one closely, good work!

[panzerjager]

OK, this is over...almost. I'm tired of repainted the faces (3 times :() so...finish
At the moment of the pictures, the tank lacks of a jack piece and the tail light.
There are no much paint chips because the tank has been in service jus a pair of weeks (the scene is february-march 1945)

Thanks to all for your support with my proyect

DArío

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[lupanzer]

Dear Dario.

Excellent job...The camo scheme looks amazing...and a very good job on the figures... great pictures...My congratulations!

Un saludo,amigo!

Luiz.

[Flak]

Looks nice...

[RickLawler]

This has been quite the adventure. Nice build and finish...congrats.

[dsleigh]

Nice job Dario

[Wonsug Jung]

really looks great

[panzerjager]

Thank you guys, I'm honoured with your comments.
I forgot to comment the "script" of the scene: The scenario is around Germany (Seelow Heights?).The soldier with the Stg 44 w/ IR device is telling to the Pzkommandant that the russians are coming; his arm is pointing a little hight, because of the heights of the terrain; the guy on his knees is covering for a russian patrol advance. The Pz Kpm. looks worried, and think "Holly sh*t", and the R.O. hear and look and it does not like what it is listening :(

A friend change the dialog, he say tha the Stg 44 guys is saying "Mein kommandant, ther e are no more sausages in that bar" :D

Thanks for look and comment

Darío

[pwranta193]

and new... :D

Seriously, I like the fact that you have a vehicle of a few weeks of age - I would suggest that perhaps you throw some mud spray up the back after you get you light and jack done. Even though it's new, it would still get mudded up (though as you say it may be the photos). The other thing I would suggest is perhaps some aging of the steel panel on the ground - make it contrast the newness of the Panther by showing some rust and discoloration?

Great green paint job - and the figs are looking good as well.

[james84]

Nice one Luiz!