MAZ537G with ChMZAP-5247G

[Plushy]

Well yesterday i got home to find a Large box from HLJ waiting at my door . Inside the box were my long awaited MAZ-537G`s . So today i have cleaned my workspace and i am preparing to Begin. I will post up sprue shots in the next hour or two . :thumb:

[sam_dwyer]

Gday Plushy

cant wait to see what you have in store with this big boy

Sam

[jimmy66]

James,have you got a color scheme figured out for one yet..???

[Plushy]

Colour scheme at the moment looks like green or maybe green . I havent really got as far as working out colours yet . I am tempted to build it up as a Afghanistan Maz with a T-55/54 on the back but i am not sure if i will build that idead first or maybe go crazy with the imagination and do something with a bit of a Sci-Fi twist ?

sprue shots are still coming i have gotten a bit sidetracked making some alterations to my modelling area .

:D

[jimmy66]

yep it certainly is a huge piece of plastic and likewize i,ve had to clear the bench and make room for it i'll build mine now while im still a little bit young and hope my eyesight hangs in .I'm planning on an egyptian one and pretty beat up as well......

[Plushy]

Jaime i didnt realise the Eygptians used them . I have some good photos of them being used by the Afghanistan National Army and they have Camo . i will start posting up reference photos as well . Just as soon as i get this model area finished :mad:

[Plushy]

Well i better Start with Photos and Lots of them and some links .
Prime Portal is the First Stop.
http://www.primeportal.net/trucks/gabor_fodor/maz-537/index.php?Page=1
http://www.primeportal.net/trucks/egor_kalmykov/maz-537/

Russian Site
http://soviettrucks.freeweb.hu/cccp/maz/maz537/maz537.html

and Now the photos i have collected from surfing the net .
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/Soviet_MAZ-537_trucks_transporting_.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/post-3355-1188239591_thumb.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/maz_ex_military.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/maz_537_l1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/maz537m-12.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/maz537m-1.jpg

[Plushy]

And the Next Batch
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/maz537-2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/jino21_34086330.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/jino21_34081146.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/jino21_22796789.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/IMG_1081.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/_DustyStuff12.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/78013_91951317_Maz-537_.jpg

[skeletondude]

Man that is some ugly piece of machinery! :D
But still, Im eagerly waiting WIP photos.

Marek

[Plushy]

Another Lot .
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/202_01.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/202_02.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/202_03.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/202_04.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/202_05.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/202_06.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/202_08.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/2337680810047363434TPDWlM_fs.jpg

[Plushy]

More photos .
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/2404491510047363434JiDLvE_ph.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/2801546830047363434ZwQLKv_fs.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/2855150500047363434ReRqoe_fs.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/2909641990047363434FFhWdD_fs.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/71011_92038560_012_.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/71011_92038560_013_.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/71011_92038560_027_.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/71011_92038560_014_.jpg

[Plushy]

And some more .
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/71011_92038560_027_.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/78013_149420941_prikolica_cmazp-999.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/78013_170766767_Prikolica205C27Gori.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/78013_170766767_Prikolica205C27G-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/78013_170766767_Prikolica205C27G-2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/78013_59776097_Gorica.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/78013_59776097_Maz-537_1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/78013_59776097_Maz-537_2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/78013_59776097_Prikolica205C27Goric.jpg

If any one owns the rights to the photos i have posted and wants them removed just let me know and i will take them down . :D

[RickLawler]

Golly Geez, this is quite the beast. Great examples of wear and weathering in those photos...looks like tons of fun.

[Plushy]

And Now the Sprue Shots . at a glance there are a few sink marks that will need fixing but Generally the parts look good . i wonder what the fit will be like . :D

28 Page Manual
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAZ537G001.jpg

Paint Schemes
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAZ537G002.jpg
Masks and P.E and Tires .
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAZ537G003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAZ537G004.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAZ537G005.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAZ537G006.jpg

and the Sprue shots .
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAZ537G007.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAZ537G008.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAZ537G009.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAZ537G010.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAZ537G011.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAZ537G012.jpg

[Plushy]

More Sprue Shots .
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAZ537G013.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAZ537G014.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAZ537G015.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAZ537G016.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAZ537G017.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAZ537G018.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAZ537G019.jpg

and a Big Thumbs up :thumb: to Trumpeter for making one of my All time Favourite Vehicles.

[Gopher]

Great kit!
Love it from the first look!

Last photos from the previous page (with a lots of snow) - is in civil usage (oil company)

[Plushy]

And now some photos of my refurbished and reorganised work bench . I should have enough room to build my MAZ now .

From this :
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/odds073.jpg

To This :D:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/Workbench002.jpg

[panamadan]

Any civvy use of this big guy? Dan

[Plushy]

Dan the White Maz on page one and the Maz in the snow are both Civilian use trucks the rest are military. I would love to own one of these one day . Nothing like the roar of a 38.9 Litre Diesel engine :D

[jimmy66]

not sure you might have seen them but there are some good vids on you tube of this beastie ,the thought of 525 HP ,8x8 ,,WOWZA ,A boat i worked on awhile ago had a V12 cummins derated to 630 HP and boy could it tow ,but one of these for ROO shootin would be kinda awesome.............

[Plushy]

They would be a fun machine to own but the only have a top speed of 60klmh and use 126 litres per 100 kays :mad:

[Evan August]

How about doing a scene with a WW2 tank found in some East European country 60 years later and being recovered? The pic with plane is cool, maybe you could do something with the remnants of a Tristar Storch?

[Plushy]

Evan i like the Aircraft idea but at the moment i am going to concentrate on just building the Maz first then work out whats going to go onto it later . But if you think of any more ideas let me know . it helps to have other people give ideas that i might not think of . :thumb:

[sharkmouth]

I like the aircraft idea although the MAZ is overkill for the Storch, with the wings folded, the Storch (Tristar kit base) or L-4H (Bronco kit base) could be towed by any truck.

Imagine WWII wrecks on that trailer (either recently dug up or after restoration)...

Regards,

[Plushy]

I have been looking at 1/32 scale aircraft and there is not much in the way of non german aircaft out there . Although i did find a nice looking Hind-E or maybe a MiG-3 .:) a Nice WW2 relic would look nice .

[sharkmouth]

... a nice looking Hind-E...

Now THAT would be something! Returning a shot down Hind during the Afghan Intervention...:thumb:

A 'small' scene showing the combo negotiating a turn on one of those cliff side roads with a BMP-2K providing cover (the BMP was capable of high elevation to scan the sky line for Mujahadeen 'terrorists'...

Wow... Thanks for letting me imagine that! :p

Regards,

[Plushy]

Saul ,
i was thinking along the same lines as that but thinking along the lines of maz negotiating a Hairpin turn with a Hind-E wreck on the back ,when the driver finds he has a Flat/blownout tyre on the trailer and no room to move the Maz so he can fix it . Drop the BMP idea and replace with a couple of Afghan Locals and a Donkey watching the driver scratch his head to sort out his Dilemma .

Or for a What if Scenario a MAZ hauling a Large Soviet or German Mecha found after the end of the 1939 to 1956 World War Mecha is partially covered with a tarp and passing a couple of boys standing beside the road looking on in amazement at the Mecha on the MAZ .

Or a MAZ hauling a T-55 wreck on the back returning to russia from Chechnya .

Or a MAZ in Bosnia with a M36 Tank on the back or some Serbian Technicals.

So many ideas and possibilities. Lucky i bought more than one and i can always buy a few more :D

[james84]

Definitely worth a try!
Anyone had the idea to depict the An-2 loaded on the trailer? :)

[Plushy]

Got the Dash and Door interiors Done last night .
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAzInterior001.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAzInterior002.jpg

[Bravo Tango]

Well Plushy, you are starting out ok.. I like the look of the dash already, nice and worn.

Any point using some aircraft instrument decals, punched out with the Waldron on the dash ?

Some of the Dio ideas are great.. love the Hind Idea and any sort of beat up AFV would look good as well.

Looking forward for more

BT

[Plushy]

BT i thought about aircraft instrument decals but i dont have any lying around .:( i might source some for the next one i build .

[sharkmouth]

I just got my (review) sample today! Since I only have one Hind, I'll forgo that idea. I also got the 2008 Trumpeter catalog and they list the late as well. While preparing for a PSP kit review, I picked up the TM from Armybook.com and the Tankograd Special No. 2 book. I never did buy the PSP kit.

I am certain there will be AM goodies soon so do not fret about aircraft decals...just place some figures to perform 'blocking' maneuvers :rolleyes:

I am looking forward to your build.

Regards,

[Plushy]

Saul whats the PSP kit like did you get one for review ? Any chance you could post up cover shots of those two books as i would like to get them for when i build the next one . :)

[sharkmouth]

Hi James,

The price was too dear for the PSP kit. So far, the kit seems to match the Tankograd book:
http://www.kitreview.com/reviews/images/tankogradspecial02reviewbg_1.JPG

The M-Hobby book:
http://www.aviapress.com/magaz/mhb/mhb200005.jpg

And the Armybook is Russian Motor Boooks Silver Collection MAZ-535/537. Last time it was an electronic download. Sadly the site shut down.

Anyway, here is a link to help you ;) :
http://www.maz-537.de/

Regards,

[skeletondude]

The dashboard looks top notch,James!:thumb:

Marek

[Plushy]

Saul if its not too much trouble could you look in the Tankograd book and see if there are any good close up shots of the Side of the engine cover showing the air intake covers ?

[Plushy]

Thanks Marek i am going for a worn used look :)

[jimmy66]

HEY James do you want me to lend you the book ?? I'll send it up there

[Plushy]

Hi Jamie thanks for the offer but i will try and source a copy first if i have no luck i will take you up on the offer . :)

[sharkmouth]

Hi James,

Sorry for the delay. This thing called sleep just comes over me each night, it's bad for my hobby. :(

I do not own a scanner, nor have access to one. The best I can do is take a photo. Using the kit part number, which item do you want to see if it is covered? I want to know if the 'empty' engine compartment is visible. If so, I will source two Maquette V-12 (T-34) engines to play the part. If anything, they will provide a light blocking function.

Regards,

[Plushy]

Saul , i was mainly interested in the p.e parts for the engine cover . P.E number D1 the instructions arent 100% clear on how your supposed to fold them up but i have taken my best guess [see photos below ]. From what i can tell you can see into the engine compartment from the rear but the view is very limited by the Fuel Tanks .

Progress SO Far .
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAzInterior010.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAzInterior008.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAzInterior005.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAzInterior004.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAzInterior003.jpg

Cheers Plushy

p.s sleep uses up valuable time :(

[skeletondude]

What?! You sleep?!? Sleep is for the WEAK! :D:D:D
Great work!

Marek

[Panzergrenadier]

Well now you are just teasing us. You show us little glimpses of the wonderful work you have done, but the rest of the beast is yet to be seen.:p

May the glue fumes be with you...

S

[RickLawler]

It's Huge, It's Awesome..NO SLEEP!

[sharkmouth]

Hi Guys,

James, you installed them correctly. I was surprised by the lack of openings these shutter were to cover. Obviously, the operating linkages from below are completely missing. I will photograph the relevant photos in the books/manuals and post.

Regards,

[Plushy]

Saul ,
Didi you download a copy of the manual from that website you posted ? How big is the file ? They supply the linkages on the photo etch sheet but they look way to thin and they are part number E4 on the sprues which are the ones i will use .

Dont worry about posting the photos unless you have spare time . Just make sure you point out anything i do wrong . :thumb:

James

[kaleu]

I am happy to see this beastie being built. I can't wait to get one. It's probably cliched, but I might build mine as an Iranian version. Perhaps with an Iraqi tank on the trailer.

[Firecaptain]

What is the difference in the 2 versions that Trumpy is doing?

[sharkmouth]

For those looking for references, Tankograd is rumored to put this volume back in production now that the Trumpeter kit is available. The M-Hobby book is out of print. Aviapress may have copies. The Armybook volume (based on the TM) was limited to 3000 copies and then became an e-Book. However, Armybook shut its doors and the web site is down.

Regards,

[Plushy]

Little Update, I included a 1/35th figure for a size comparison .The chassis is just for the Tractor unit , the trailer is longer again . :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAZ537G020.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAZ537G023.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAZ537G022.jpg

Cheers Plushy

[MikkoH]

Geee man. Soon you have to lenghten your modelling table or move to floor..:D Looks good so far.

[RickLawler]

Kinda had me fooled for a moment...I was seeing the two colors of plastic and thought that you where scratching or updating...but I see now that you are doing quite a bit of painting along the way.

BIG, looks good.

[skeletondude]

Whaaaaaa....I thought that WAS the trailer, one will need a bigger workspace. :D
Great work so good.

Marek

[Panzergrenadier]

Very cool. Looking forward to more!:thumb:

[sharkmouth]

Well,

It has been too quiet...maybe this page will inspire some more 'action' :cool:

http://www.bart300872.republika.pl/maz-537/maz-537.html

Toodles (as in Poodles, OK, New York Dog Show is in effect),

[DOJO]

sharkmouth;
wow... that is that?? Yes, i see that it's some 3D images but is some one is making a data base and MAZ or scratch building one???

[sharkmouth]

it is EVERYTHING I need for the late version MAZ ;)

Regards,

[Plushy]

Saul thats alot of 3d rendering ! . Sorry for the lack of updates i have been working on my 1:1 scale military vehicles at the moment . I will get some more done on the Maz today and post up photos . :D

[panamadan]

A 1:1 scale Maz?? Dan

[Plushy]

Dan i wish it was a 1:1 MAZ but its not . You can see my 1:1 vehicles over here : http://www.planetarmor.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4007

[sharkmouth]

Another walk around of a late MAZ:
http://www.makettinfo.hu/anyagok/pics/maz_537_takacs/index.htm?

Regards,

[Plushy]

Another Great Link thanks Saul ! :thumb: Its a shame Trumpeter didnt include the underdash heater :(

[panamadan]

Dan i wish it was a 1:1 MAZ but its not . You can see my 1:1 vehicles over here : http://www.planetarmor.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4007
Nice! My goal is to get a 3/4 ton truck one day-great vehicle to take to the ranges! Dan

[Plushy]

Heres the Update i have just put sat the cab and engine cover there so you can see the size of the Vehicle the ruler next to it is 6 and a bit inches .:D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAZ537Gupdate1001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAZ537Gupdate1002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAZ537Gupdate1003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAZ537Gupdate1005.jpg

I am finding with this build that its easier to undercoat as i go , as certain places like the drive train will be very hard to paint once the kit is assembled .

Cheers Plushy

[sharkmouth]

And now a break for some video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p5yb0XHR2A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1Gy7RgBXds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVJXj4QksNI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7_32bu-JOQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40A-K-zYz4A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMmHnh-dd0w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuIDN2fKF8E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKNisiKDjS0

More to be found on YouTube...enjoy!

Regards,

[Larry Bates]

James,

This is totally sick!!!!:thumb: ( that's californian for I like :p )

Love the idea of the Hind on the back.

Laz

[pwranta193]

So whatcha got here is essentially a truck bigger than the BR-52? I've got to start hanging out over on the modern side more... since I've gotten out, I don't know what most of this stuff is anymore. So I take it this thing is for hauling Sov MBTs?

What a tonne of stuff to work out - I've always been a bit leery of these jumbo kits for fear of warpage, etc. (I've yet to attack the BR-52 for this reason). As I said - I have no knowledge of this bad boy, but it looks amazing. Are you building a new mantle piece to set it on? :)

[Plushy]

Paul the MAZ was designed to haul around the T-54 .The MAZ uses virtually the same V12 engine it also has a winch capable of dragging a T-54 onto the trailer . The Engine puts out around 560bhp and 2420ft of torque :D. Maximum load for the trailer is 75 tons so it can haul most modern MBT`s .

[Plushy]

Hi Guys ,
sorry for the long hiatus between updates but i am happy to say i am now back on to this build and the Cargo for the trailer has arrived . i will post up photos soon. http://foro.migproductions.com/images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif

Plushy

[Plushy]

And heres the Cargo
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/HindE001.jpg
And the interior ,cockpit and exterior detail sets .
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/HindE003.jpg

[Finnmodeler]

Hey,
that is one heck of an Cargo!

Niko

[Major Becker]

Hi,

This truck is very ...BIG...not commun..My Berliet GPE4 is a toy near yours...:D

Good job..I 'm waiting your post...:thumb:

Rey

[RickLawler]

Excellent choice...please show some SBS of the 'copter.

[KeroJP4]

Hi Plushy, hi all,

Your build turns out great !!! I especially like your worn and chipped paint (dashboard and doors), they really are excellent !

Very good job .

Can you just point one thing out 4 me ?

Which nationality is the below MAZ ?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/jino21_34086330.jpg

Thanks in advance, and keep up the great work :)

Cheers,

Richard

[skeletondude]

Richard,
I believe it's in Egyptian service. ;)
James, this is growing to be a very ambitious project, can't wait to see more! I'm planning on getting the Hind soon too, please, show the WIP of it too.

Marek

[Plushy]

Well my modelling mojo has come back for the moment so i worked on the trailer for the Maz and got it finished
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAzTrailerDone001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAzTrailerDone002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAzTrailerDone003.jpg

And then i thought to myself maybe the Hind wont look that good on it and maybe a t-54 would be better so i grabbed the Hind box down and quickly taped the Fuselage together to get and idea of size and this is what it looked like .

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAzTrailerDone017.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/MAzTrailerDone019.jpg
Its about then i thought $^%##$&%#&#$^$@#$%%$ this is gonna be a big job to get done and i need a whole lot more reference photos for this sucker .

So i need some help to find photos of helicopters and aircraft with small arms damage or SAM damage preferably of aircraft that werent totally destroyed afterwards .

Cheers ,
Plushy

p.s and i thought 1:1 vehicles could be complicated . :eek:

[Stuke Sowle]

I am really falling for this hauler. Great job on your build James.

Quite an ambitious project to include the Hind! Might be necessary to complete the hauler, work on some small projects, then come back to the Hind?

[FINbuster]

Wow, that is amazing! That is going to look insane when completed, It already doese! Please,please do a WIP on the Hind:D

[Bruga]

Hi Richard,

The Maz is an Afghan one.

[KeroJP4]

Hi Richard,

The Maz is an Afghan one.

Hi Antonio,

Great news :thumb::thumb::thumb:

I got an ANA T62 almost out of the paintshop that would suit the ChMzap trailer very well !

Thank you so much for the info !

Cheers,

Richard

[RickLawler]

James, I had a thought about the Hind, though I don't know if it will make things any easier. Perhaps rather than an build the entire bird, maybe you could be hauling a certain section(s). Something along the lines of what Stuke said, make it a smaller project say of only the fusalage, the engine with the blades tucked next to it on the bed, or maybe the tail section.

Either way, you are right...it's a hell of a big endevor!


May the MOJO be with you....

[sharkmouth]

Hi James P,

The Hind could take a LOT of punishment before it went down. Most shoot downs ended up the tail breaking loose. The tail was usually removed at the join line for recovery (this from the Mi-25 manual).

The Soviets flew both the Mi-24A (Hind-A) and Mi-24D (Hind-D) early on and quickly replaced them with the Mi-24V (Hind-E) and Mi-24P (Hind-F) in Afghanistan. Afghan units were equipped with the Mi-24A (Hind-A), Mi-24DU (Hind-D), Mi-25D (Hind-D), Mi-25V (Hind-E), and later the Mi-35 (Hind-F). Virtually every helicopter flew with the up-rated TV-3-117V engines (as in the Trumpeter kit) even if originally built with the lesser engine.

The odd numbers were export variants with different avionics packages. The ones in Afghanistan also had English stenciling and manuals. Afghan pilots trained at the International School of Brotherhood (40Km from Moscow) were taught in English. That was one of the three languages the courses were offered in (Spanish and Russian were/are(?) the other two).

I mention that since many shoot downs caused the loss of several of the Mi-24/25 distinguishing features leaving just a fuselage, flare dispensers (usually expended), busted open ammunition doors, and stripped cockpits. This makes it easy for you to paint both trailer and helicopter in Afghan colors if so desired. The Mujahideen would shoot down the hunchback and teams would swarm down to capture or kill humans, strip the bird of usable ammunition and guns, and try to demolish the cockpit enough that the turnaround time at a maintenance unit was maximized.

I don't recall if the Trumpeter kit has IR suppressors over the exhausts. Later helicopters (both Russian and Afghan) were equipped with them. To add them, the Soviets had a field kit whereby they cut the exhaust pipes, added a mounting collar and hardware, plus added a jammer. All helicopters had ASO-2V flare/chaff dispensers either strapped below the tail (early with four strips total) or on specialized mounts on the fuselage sides near the tail boom (six strips in total).

Payloads in Afghanistan (usually stripped from shoot downs) included long range fuel tanks for patrolling. The location of these depended on the mission. A long range patrol meant two fuel tanks on the wings' outer pylons since patrols usually had a landing party carried within. A covering mission (or hunter-killer) had a fuel tank placed within the troop cabin allowing the 80mm rocket pods and two bombs (100 0r 250 kg) for the wing stubs. Outer (anti-tank missile) mounts were empty on the Soviet aircraft but loaded and used late in the war by the Afghans. Their Mi-24D were equipped with wire guided Malyutka missiles which proved effective against caves BUT the helicopter had to remain stable in order for the weapons officer to guide it accurately. Other Afghan ordnance seen were 80m & 57mm rocket pods, 100kg & 250kg bombs, gun pods, napalm tanks, and cluster bombs.

Many more shoot downs were of the Mi-17 (also a Trumpeter kit) and the Mi-4 gun ships (early in the war) - again a Trumpeter kit.

Richard, note that the ANA logo seen on the MAZ is different from the Kabul regime logo during the Soviet intervention.

Obviously, :D the Crocodile (Cocodrilo) is a favorite subject of mine!



Regards,

[Plushy]

Saul ,
thanks for the Excellent Info , i know have a much better idea of how to proceed . I have the WWP book on the Hind as well as few other books . If i remove the Tail i will have to scratch build the internal structures in the tail and the Fuselage . I will be using the Part pe sets to add loads of detail to the interior . i have also come across mention of a resin detail set from a company in Brazil heres the link
http://www.largescaleplanes.com/reviews/Aftermarket/Helicopters/Warhammer/Mi-24Cockpit/Mi-24.html

I dont know if it went inot production as i havent managed find one yet , I have also looked at the Cobra company detail set but i am not sure about the detail on them .

Afghanistan looks like the best option to have them together .
Any chance i could get more details on the Mi-24 manual . were i can get one ?

Plushy

[lquah]

Plushy

That's one helluva impressive combo. You gotta do the Hind. Every man and his dog is gonna build a MAZ with a T-55/62.

I am real keen on the Hind so please do a SBS on it. I got a couple of Blackhawk updates from Cobra Co and truth be told, I wasn't too impressed with the quality of the details. Those Warhammer sets look ace and I would definitely get them..if I can find them.

And here's what it looks like when hit by a missile
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=bhYlbklg1Fs

LQ

[sharkmouth]

And here's what it looks like when hit by a missile
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=bhYlbklg1Fs

Hi Lawrence,

Sorry, that is not an actual Hind. I've seen this film before at a US Army base. One of the commentators has it right, it is a vismod (visual modification) Sikorsky S-55 as used for missile range tests. Note the non retracting landing gear.

The US Army has access to real Hinds but need them for training and would not destroy them. The first flyable Hind they could keep came via Nicaragua when a pilot defected to Honduras.

James, I do not know of a commercial entity to get the Hind manual. The English language one as printed by the US Army is still restricted and not declassified.

Regards,

[James Tainton]

Here are some photographs I took of the Koblenz Mi-24 that served with the East German forces.
click on thumb
http://panzerfaust.sslpowered.com/Hind_web/thumbnails/Photo%20Library%20-%2011517.jpg (https://panzerfaust.sslpowered.com/Hind_web/index.htm)

I did the editing pretty fast and one picture maybe of a jet behind this exhibit.

[Bruga]

A great source of info about the Hind is a WWP book fuul of pics.

It is a must!

PS. I was thinking about something similar but I am unable even to finish some 4 year old projects :-(


Good luck! At least I am having fun with your progress.


Antonio

[sharkmouth]

James T,

Excellent photos of Koblenz' Mi-24P. Thanks!

Here are a few of mine along with a bunch from my friend (who gave me permission to post them):

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_Mi24-Bulgarian.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/Mi24-Bulgarian.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_Mi24-Bulgarian-Airshow.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/Mi24-Bulgarian-Airshow.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_Mi24-Bulgarian-Flyby.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/Mi24-Bulgarian-Flyby.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_Mi24-Bulgarian-Solo.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/Mi24-Bulgarian-Solo.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_125.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/125.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_126.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/126.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231606.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231606.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231605.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231605.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231604.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231604.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231603.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231603.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231600.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231600.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231598.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231598.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231596.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231596.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231595.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231595.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231594.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231594.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231593.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231593.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231592.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231592.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231591.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231591.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231590.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231590.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231589.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231589.jpg)

Regards,

[sharkmouth]

Part Two:


http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231588.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231588.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231587.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231587.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231563.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231563.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231562.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231562.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231561.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231561.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231560.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231560.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231559.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231559.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231558.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231558.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231557.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231557.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231555.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231555.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231554.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231554.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231553.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231553.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231552.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231552.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231551.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231551.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231550.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231550.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231549.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231549.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231548.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231548.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231547.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231547.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231546.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231546.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231545.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231545.jpg)

Regards,

[sharkmouth]

Third and last part:

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231544.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231544.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231542.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231542.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_P1231541.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/P1231541.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_MI_24D_TAIL.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/MI_24D_TAIL.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_MI_24D_GUN.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/MI_24D_GUN.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_MI_24D_1.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/MI_24D_1.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_Mi24D_4.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/Mi24D_4.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_Mi24D_3.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/Mi24D_3.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_Mi24D_2.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/Mi24D_2.jpg)

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/th_MI24D_1.jpg (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k247/sharkmouth/Hind%20Real%20Deal/MI24D_1.jpg)

Here is an online gallery of photos which is not well known:
http://www.photoka.info/mi24pn/index.htm

Regards,

[sharkmouth]

Some shot down Hinds.

http://www.aeronautics.ru/img/img006/mi-24_down_ingushetiya_09-26-02_001.jpg (http://www.aeronautics.ru/img/img006/mi-24_down_ingushetiya_09-26-02_001.jpg)
This one was shot down in Chechnya, missiles by then destroy the fuselage.
http://www.aeronautics.ru/m/mi24060.jpg
This photo is from 1983. Fairly intact and the Soviet troops around it make it seem as though it was providing cover (shot down near friendlies).

http://www.hro.org/editions/karta/nr24-25/foto/vertolet.jpg
Another early Hind shoot down.

From the war over Yugoslavia comes this one:
http://www.yuairwar.com/IMAGES/Mi24.jpg

Here is a register of all publicly disclosed Hind helicopters in the US:
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/mmsinqSQL.asp?mmstxt=5580103

Regards,

[halaci]

under this site there are three galleries of Mi-24s of the Hungarian Air Force with detail images. As this is - I think - php generated, I can not give the full link, you have to go to the Fényképek link in the left menu and then choose Repülök from the next list.

Makettinfo (http://www.makettinfo.hu/)

[sharkmouth]

László, thanks for the web site address, I forgot about that one for a while! In any case, here are the direct links to the walkarounds:

http://makettinfo.hu/index.php?jobb=fotok/mi-24_716/index.htm

http://makettinfo.hu/index.php?jobb=fotok/mi-24/index.htm

http://makettinfo.hu/index.php?jobb=fotok/mi-24p/index.htm

Regards,

[Plushy]

Thanks for all the Excellent References Guys and Thanks James ,Saul ,László for the photos my collection is getting big now .

Lawerence i will do a SBS as much as i can but you will have to forgive me if i dont take photos of everything .

I will hopefully start construction tonight . :)

[Mikolaj Wawer]

ooo I saw pictures Mi-24 ,49 PŚB from Poland . I live near this helicoper base , and if you want more pictures this helicopter I can will take it .

[KeroJP4]

Hi Plushy,

Has your wonderful Maz build gone further ahead ?

Regards,

Richard

[Plushy]

Hi Richard ,
the build has stopped for the moment while i get a Jagdpanther done and out of the way then it will be full steam ahead again on the Maz and Hind . I have all the references and detail sets i need now so the only thing stopping me is the Jagdpanther .


Cheers Plushy

[KeroJP4]

Hi Plushy,

I have finally bought that MAZ !!! :)

I believe mine may be in Finland two green / Black camo, hauling a BMP-1.

Has yours gone ahead since the last post hereabove ????

I am really eager to see more !!!

Cheers,

Richard

[Plushy]

Hi Richard i should be starting the hind early next week , i have been putting most of my time into my 1:1 vehicles .

good to hear you got your maz do you have any photos of the Finnish Maz`s in service ?

cheers Plushy

[KeroJP4]

Hi Plushy,

Very few info available on the net as regards Finnish Mazs...

http://www.panssariprikaati.fi/img/historia/63-2.jpg

http://www.panssariprikaati.fi/img/historia/45-3.jpg

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w308/jurjenz/Armorama.jpg

Cheers,

Richard

[kinfa-t]

Some shot down Hinds.

http://www.aeronautics.ru/img/img006/mi-24_down_ingushetiya_09-26-02_001.jpg (http://www.aeronautics.ru/img/img006/mi-24_down_ingushetiya_09-26-02_001.jpg)
This one was shot down in Chechnya, missiles by then destroy the fuselage.
http://www.aeronautics.ru/m/mi24060.jpg
This photo is from 1983. Fairly intact and the Soviet troops around it make it seem as though it was providing cover (shot down near friendlies).

http://www.hro.org/editions/karta/nr24-25/foto/vertolet.jpg
Another early Hind shoot down.

Fromthe war over Yugoslavia comes this one:
http://www.yuairwar.com/IMAGES/Mi24.jpg

Here is a register of all publicly disclosed Hind helicopters in the US:
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/mmsinqSQL.asp?mmstxt=5580103

Regards,


The last pic with destroyed HIND is from glorious operation ''Oluja'' and it is our-Croatian bird that has been shoot down.
The pitty is that we have a good number of HINDs but they are parked on the airfild and they are now rotten from age and uncarring.
I say damn pitty.

[Plushy]

Hi Guys ,
I am Finally back into building this combo . For the last seven days i have been working on the Cockpit of the Hind using the Part detail set .

heres the pics :
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/HindECockpit001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/HindECockpit002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/HindECockpit004.jpg

comments and criticism are welcome . gotta start on all the wiring and extras in the cockpit now .

cheers Plushy

[skeletondude]

OM*G!!
Oh man, James, now I'm even afraid to show pics of my Mi-24 here, since nothing can beat yours. :(

[Plushy]

You have to keep building marek your providing the inspiration to keep building mine :D

[skeletondude]

Well then, I'm glad that I am of use to someone. :D

[canjuaan]

Wow, this looks very complex and hard to assemble. Wrong assumption?
Your work looks great!

Johannes

[Ropi]

Holly shit! this is... I can't describe this...

[Gopher]

Looks cool, Plushy!

Some photos of T-80 on MAZ transporter.
http://dishmodels.ru/wshow.htm?p=825

[james84]

Excellent idea!
Waiting to see more!

[Plushy]

Sorry for the slow progress as i am scratchbuilding the internal structure for the inside of the tail boom section so that i can damage it up . i hope to get photos up soon .

thanks for everyone putting up with the slow going :o

[Evan August]

Damn that's awesome! One question though, how are you going to paint the cockpit with all those printed/prepainted details? Liquid mask?

And are those knockouts I see on the back of your instrument panel?

[Plushy]

Hi Evan yes they are knock outs but they will be hidden by some hoses and interior detail . Liquid mask will be used on the guages when i paint everything . :D

[james84]

Any update? :D

[Plushy]

Hi Guys ,
Small update i have put in the internal structure in the tail and started to rough in the rear avionics area . I havent been to precise as i am depicting a crashed/downed Hind so things would be knocked around alot .
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/HindEtail001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/HindEtail002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/HindEtail003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/Thiokol/HindEtail004.jpg
Just gotta add the details now and the drive shafts .
cheers Plushy

[RickLawler]

Looks like a Tedium Festival, James! What a project...!

Rick

[Ropi]

Wow! that looks like it was long to do... Great! :thumb:

[f1matt]

I was poking around various blogs and managed to find this one. Well you've got my attention now Plushy. That's one heck of a monster combo.:thumb: