Tiger 1 Late

[ECLIPSE]

Hello fellow planet people.
This will be my first build blog anywhere so any help and all comments wanted.
I will try and keep this going at a reasonable pace unless it turns to shit, then I'll just put it aside and disappear.
I'll be doing this
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000510.jpg
using this
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000511.jpg
so wish me luck.
(if the photos are to big please tell me and I'll try and fix it)

[Sheeds]

Have you chosen which Tiger 1 to do yet Pete?

Sheeds.

[ECLIPSE]

Hey Sheeds. No thoughts yet other than the late version.
Any suggestions?:)
Have got it to this point
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000517.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000515.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000512.jpg

[greybeard]

Hi Pete. i'll be watching this too — have the kit, although I've lots of stuff to tackle before I get near it. BTW, your pictures are about half the size they could be for my screen. I go for 640x480 pixels.

Cheers
Scott Fraser

[James Tainton]

Hi Pete. i'll be watching this too — have the kit, although I've lots of stuff to tackle before I get near it. BTW, your pictures are about half the size they could be for my screen. I go for 640x480 pixels.

Cheers
Scott Fraser

I find that 800 pixels wide is best for showing detail and yet not too big. 100K file size is a good rule of thumb.:thumb:

[panzermatt]

hey Pete,can't wait to see this one finished:thumb::D

[lquah]

Pete

How do you find the Cav zimm? Are they prone to shrinkage?

Oh..and I might be wrong but they usually left the area behind the exhaust stacks zimm free.

Lawrence

[ECLIPSE]

Lawrence, the Cav zim is a bit oversize if anything so plenty to play with.
Wasn't sure about behind the stacks. I know the Atak set leaves this area blank.
Should be an easy hack job to remove it.
Cheers for that.
Thanks all for the interest
Pete

[brokeneagle]

As you know I have this also so it will be interesting to see how it goes together.:)

[Flak]

Hi Pete...nice start...I;m interesting your build...keep it up please :)

[james84]

Nice start!
I'm finishing the sam model but with home made zimmerit!

[Sturmmann]

Hi Peter,

I never thought I would be saying this, but I am actually happy to see somebody building a Tiger here for a change. :p

Nice work so far on the Zimmerit. :thumb:

Dave

[RickLawler]

Congrats on getting started on your first thread. It looks like your off to a good start.

Rick

[ECLIPSE]

Thanks for the reply's guys.
Giacomo, I'm not brave enough to attack a nice new kit with home made zim.
I might practice on an old one first.:)
A small update, finished the back with some Aber shields.
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/tiger/P1000518.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/tiger/P1000521.jpg
Also finished the fans. Don't know why these are here as none of it will be seen with the back deck on. Good practice for folding and soldering I suppose.
The instructions forget to tell you to put the tops of the radiators on but tells you to install the short hoses that are attached to them.
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/tiger/P1000520.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/tiger/P1000522.jpg
Also can someone tell me if I need to attach the zim to the front plate?
I have seen models with and without so not sure which way to go?
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/tiger/P1000523.jpg

Thanks all.
Pete

[lincoln_brown]

Hello Peter, nice start! I'm building the same kit, with Cav. zimmerit, and I decided not to zim the front plate - but I'm no Tiger expert. What did you use to attach it - 5 min Araldite?
Lincoln.

[Flak]

Hi Pete...well done on the exhaust shield...I like it :thumb:

[james84]

Peter, I think there were both tanks with front plate zimmed and ones without... I applied zimmerit on mine but I removed it, not being satisfied. Anyway, I think that the latest production Tigers did have this feature.

[Sheeds]

Coming along nicely, Pete. :thumb:

Have you looked at the 507 Lates? Pretty cool looking cats.

Sheeds.

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Continued on with completely pointless steps.
Gave the fans and fuel tanks a lick of paint

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000746.jpg

and installed and painted the wooden covers

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000744.jpg

Decided to then model like a mad womans shit and jump about.
I will leave all the small fiddly bits until all the main structure is complete.
The back deck and turret under way.

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000741.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000742.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000740.jpg

Thanks for the looking.
Pete

[ECLIPSE]

Sheeds, I'm thinking of one of the 102 SS-Pz-Abt from Normandy
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000750.jpg
Unless I completely balls up the paint.
Then I will just see what I can manage to come up with:D

Cheers
Pete

[navy95]

Sheeds, I'm thinking of one of the 102 SS-Pz-Abt from Normandy
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000750.jpg
Unless I completely balls up the paint.
Then I will just see what I can manage to come up with:D

Cheers
Pete

If you really want to build a Tiger of 102 SS pz abt in Normandy, then you need to rework a bit the zimmerit ;) :
all pictures show that the turret zimmerit scheme was different from the hull
more or less regular scheme on the hull ( like what Atak offers ) but more rough on the turret
:thumb:

[ECLIPSE]

OK, back to the research. Does anyone know what tigers had the same zim pattern on the turret and the hull?
Not much else happening at the moment, back at work plus doing the books for our business. Slapped a bit of paint on the turret interior although bugger all of this will be seen.

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000756.jpg

And slowly getting through the tracks (WW11 Productions)
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000770.jpg

Cheers all
Pete

[lincoln_brown]

Hi Peter, how about one from '507' - I have some Bison decals left over (I'm building one from '510', which also features on the same sheet). Would be happy to send them your way. You'll have to use the mantlet with the twin gun sight ports, and scratch some simple jerry-can holders for the rear hull plate.
Lincoln.

[Ropi]

Er...ahhh well I'd like to ask a question: where can you get that kind of zim?

[ECLIPSE]

Hey Lincoln. There was only one mantlet in my Cav Zim set and luckily its the one with the twin ports. The only info Iv,e got here is this
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000779.jpg
So no idea about the rear jerry can holders, looks like allot more searching.

Thanks for the offer on the decals but as I,m the Peter that owns Southeast and have your sd.Kfz 11 update set next to me, I would feel a tad of a cheap prick.

Any other info on 507 would be gladly accepted though:D

[skeletondude]

Can't wait for more, Peter.:thumb:
I'm interested in the WW2 prod. tracks, are they like snap-eable?(so you snap them together)

Marek

[n0bby]

Hi Peter,

Interesting blog - I have the kit and the same zim in my stash waiting to be built. Could you tell me where the WWII tracks can be sourced from in the UK?

[ECLIPSE]

Er...ahhh well I'd like to ask a question: where can you get that kind of zim?
Ropi,you can pick up Cavalier Zim at Lucky Model.

Can't wait for more, Peter.
I'm interested in the WW2 prod. tracks, are they like snap-eable?(so you snap them together)

Marek

Yep, WW11 tracks just click together and are fully workable, just a bit of clean up.

Interesting blog - I have the kit and the same zim in my stash waiting to be built. Could you tell me where the WWII tracks can be sourced from in the UK?
Nobby, you can pick up WW11 tracks at M.S. Models in Japan or Southeast Hobbies, a little company here in Oz that is owned by a really nice guy by the name of Peter:D

Anyway, after much searching and thought I decided that Sheeds and Lincoln Know much much more than I do so I,m going to pick one of these from 507.
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/35025prev03.gif
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/35025prev02.gif

Cheers
Pete

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Alright, she now looks like a Tiger
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000787.jpg
Replaced the kit tow cables with ones from Karaya, much nicer and much more flexible.
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000784.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000783.jpg
All the small bits to do now.
Cheers
Pete

[sam_dwyer]

Looking good Pete

You aiming to have this ready for W&T on the 16th?

See you there,

Sam

[Flak]

Looks great...keep it coming :)

[Larry Bates]

Looks sweet Pete :thumb:

Laz

[Panzergrenadier]

Cool beast!:thumb::thumb:

[panzermatt]

great job pete,looking good:thumb::)

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Ok, Aber side fenders on, which are a bit longer than the kit ones but nothing a sharp blade cant fix.
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000790.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000791.jpg

Now for the dumb question, being that this is the first kit that I have used small fiddly PE, (when your 6'8" tall you have F'n big hands that don't go well with small PE) can someone please point me in the right direction for how the tool clasps are supposed to look???? So far Iv'e got this but not sure if its right.
And sorry about the crappy shots
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000792.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000789.jpg

Cheers All
Pete

[ECLIPSE]

Sammy, the plan was for W&T but not holding my breath.
Marco, Laz and Siim, thanks for the support. Makes it easier to push myself to uncharted territory when there's
friendly and helpful people to lend a hand.
Matt, where's that Vbench!!!!! need to see the G or the little g.:D
Cheers
Pete:thumb:

[RickLawler]

Peter..lets see if this helps with the tool clasps.

Me at Bovington with a real one from a Pz II....

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/DSC02922.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/DSC02921.jpg

This is a "how to" that was in an issue of AFV Modeler some time ago...

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/aber1.jpg

Unfortunately there is no getting around the fact that these things are small....even smaller in your case!!!! One of these days, when I remember, I'm just going to order a few sets of clasps, just so that I can practice on them. Practice, I think that's really the only "trick".

Your Tigger is looking the deal now. Brass fenders always give these a much more realistic feel.

later,

[Larry Bates]

Hello boys,

Ah, first time clasps.......a real pain. Peter, the trick to clasps is to attach the sort of "U" shaped piece "temporarily" to something. James Tainton has an especially good technique. Using a piece of glass, or something smooth, and cyano, glue the base piece down. Now you don't have to hold "it" and you can use two hands to bend the handle around all four attachment points while making sure the strap doesn't fall out at the last moment. Fun stuff eh?:p Then when you have the thiing assembled use a blade to pry the assembly off the glass. It also helps, especially if your hands are large, to use TWO, that's Two pairs of nice tweezers to handle the stuff. My first went together quite easy, only to fall apart, then took numerous times to get it back together. :rolleyes: And the next few took just as long. Then I was enlightened, and it still only took a few tries to get them together.:p They get easier, with practice.

Hope that helps.

Laz

[lquah]

Nice work Pete. I jut started one of these and will be following your build.

I'm a bit late to the party but one very minor point. The Tiger you are building would be a tad too early for the wooden deck over the fuel tanks but luckily it's not noticeable.

Lawrence

[panzermatt]

tool clasps aren't they fun:yell:as for my vbench 4 months of waiting i think i should sent gordy a message as something must be going wrong cool tip about glueing the clasp bracket to glass i used blue tac but still a pain in the butt

[ECLIPSE]

WOW.
Ask and ye shall receive. Thanks for the info gents.

Lawrence, thanks. Lucky it was a completely pointless exercise installing them.
Oh well, makes it a bit darker under the grills.

Laz, thanks for the info. Sounds so easy!!!!!!

Rick, after the amount of brass you have played with over the last few months you could probably do these in your sleep.
After seeing your photos and the how to from AFV I think I know what the problem is.:)
DRAGONS ARE NOT WORKABLE
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000799.jpg
Bad photo but if you look really really hard you will see that Dragons clamps dont have the two sets of posts to hook the handle over. Or the return on the top bit to hook over the bottom U shaped piece.
Oh well, I go with what looks right and glue them shut.

Cheers all
Pete

Good idea Matt, annoy Gordy. We Aussies are good at annoying.:D

[ECLIPSE]

Alright, after inflicting crippling pain on my fingers and almost going blind I've finished all the small fiddly brass bits. Not great but I'm satisfied.
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000813.jpg

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000814.jpg

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000815.jpg

Also finished the locks on the rear bin. Sent one bracket of into the unknown so it now has a slightly damaged corner. Again they are pretty ordinary but with some paint and something up front to focus on they should pass.:D

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000816.jpg

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000817.jpg

[ECLIPSE]

So that should be it for the cutting and gluing bit of this build, next up some paint.
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000818.jpg

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000824.jpg

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000821.jpg

Back soon
Pete

[Flak]

Nice PE work...Peter :thumb:

[RickLawler]

Ya Baby (Bibby)! It seems as though you worked your way around the PE without too much trauma. The clasps, at least for me, are certainly the most difficult parts to deal with.

So Pete, I had a couple of thoughts on the corner of the rear bin where you lost the clasp. 1) you can make a farily good representation from the scraps of PE frets that you have, just a little cutting and bending, maybe a little wire and you're close enough for rock-n-roll..should you want to replace it. OR; 2) simulate that the bracket has been torn off...a bent piece of bracket (see #1 for materials) and couple of holes for some missing bolts...a little careful painting and you should have it.

have a good one,

[Evan August]

Nice Tiger. How did you go about attaching the Aber fenders to the kit? I am having some difficulty with that at the moment.

[ECLIPSE]

Thanks Marco.
Rick, I,ll attempt one of those ideas and let you know, just need to get my fingers to straighten out again:thumb:.
Evan, I did it the very technical way of turning it upside down and flooding the underside of the fenders with super glue. ( it was either that or a hammer and some nails:D).
Cheers
Pete

[Larry Bates]

Thanks Marco.
Rick, I,ll attempt one of those ideas and let you know, just need to get my fingers to straighten out again:thumb:.
Evan, I did it the very technical way of turning it upside down and flooding the underside of the fenders with super glue. ( it was either that or a hammer and some nails:D).
Cheers
Pete


:D:D:D:p

[ECLIPSE]

Well, took Rick's advice and added a bit of a bent and twisted bracket and a couple of holes. They look huge in the photo's but once some paint fills them they should be OK.http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000831.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000832.jpg
(hopefully the paint will make they whole area look OK)

Also, as Lincoln had mentioned earlier, some 507 tigers had a jerry can on the rear, so I knocked up a bracket and stuck it on.
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000838.jpg http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1000836.jpg

That should be it now. Hopefully paint soon.
Cheers
Pete

[Evan August]

Thanks Marco.
Rick, I,ll attempt one of those ideas and let you know, just need to get my fingers to straighten out again:thumb:.
Evan, I did it the very technical way of turning it upside down and flooding the underside of the fenders with super glue. ( it was either that or a hammer and some nails:D).
Cheers
Pete

You might not be too far off on that one, I was thinking of drilling out the mounts, then running a length of stretched sprue through the fenders and hull to make a bolt....However the super glue idea seems much easier!

[ECLIPSE]

Alright, lets get some colour on this puppy.
First a bit of Grey
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1010007.jpg
Then a bit of black
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1010017.jpg
Then some yellow
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1010022.jpg
And finally some stripes.
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1010025.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1010027.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1010028.jpg

More soon
Cheers
Pete

[Evan August]

Nice! Are you going to be adding green?

[brokeneagle]

I love the damaged stowage bin - I might have to loose one of mine as well as this looks heaps better than having them all perfect. Better than a save, an improvement.:):thumb::cool:

[ECLIPSE]

Welcome back Mr Hill, all intercepted out? Just as necessity is the mother of invention, battle damage is the result, not of enemy fire or rough terrain but of tiny parts snapping or being fed to the carpet.:) ( glad you like it ).
Hope I didn't miss your call on the weekend as I was out.

Evan, no green on this one

http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/35025prev02.gif

She,s now been glossed, decal-ed, washed and matted down again.
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1010082.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1010085.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1010087.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1010083.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1010084.jpg
Not sure if I'm happy with the primer under the chipped zimm, A bit dark I know, but still not sure on the red.
Cheers
Pete

[brokeneagle]

But missing the tanks at the moment:(.
You might like to think about adding some dull light / medium grey to your exposed zim chips as well as some lightened edges. The Zimm was very porous and there is evidence of paint soaking up the pimer if it wasn't completely dry at the factory before the zimm paste was applied. When the paint came off with the Zimm in chips , the primer would probably have been damaged or thinned as well. Maybe even taken off completely in places as the primer coat would not have been applied uniformerly (as with the application of it) See attached.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/reference/redprimer.jpg
I got these from Armour Modelling and they seem to suggest that the exposed areas could well have variated from deep primer to a light patchy cover or even straight steel, dulled off.:eek: [I have posted this pic etc before but it was a while back].
Have fun:).........that should cause some controversy:rolleyes:.

[ECLIPSE]

Yep, think I know what you mean. I'll find my artistic side, have a fiddle and see what I can come up with.:thumb:

[RickLawler]

I'll find my artistic side, have a fiddle.... :eek:

Oh, you mean painting....I get it now! :D

Looking good Peter. I agree that it's a little dark, so this is the time to get in there and lighten it up before you do much weathering. Are you using acrylics? If you are, you can pull off that look from Ian's sample with some wet on wet painting using oranges, reds, and yellows.

[ECLIPSE]

Alright, have started to play with the damaged Zimm colors. I remember reading somewhere (Mig's book?) that Zimm is a concrete and therefore grayish. So running with that, I've got this. Thoughts please before I redo the rest of the Zimm chips.
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1010112.jpg

[RickLawler]

Alright, have started to play with the damaged Zimm colors. I remember reading somewhere (Mig's book?) that Zimm is a concrete and therefore grayish. So running with that, I've got this. Thoughts please before I redo the rest of the Zimm chips.


I think that it's got sawdust and a bunch of chemicals in it also...someone posted all the ingredients here sometime ago.

Ok, so what are you trying to do? I guess that if you are planning on leaving the entire chipped area grey, I don't believe that looks correct. If you are just going to leave the edges grey, then fill the center areas with color (primer?) then I think you are on the right track.

I guess that I'd need a little more information of your intentions to really be of help. My thought was that the color from Ian's primer sample would somehow come into play.

[ECLIPSE]

Thanks Rick. I think I'm happy with the color around the edge. I will dabble a bit tonight with the center. What are your thoughts on base color under zimm? I don't have a clue as to weather there should be yellow with primer or just primer. I suppose I will see what looks and feels right. Wish me luck.:)

[brokeneagle]

Pete,
I would aim to make the exposed area under the zimm a mix of primer in various shades of intensity plus some dull grey 'poking' through in patch's. I believe it would not be a single color but a representation of a surface that has come away leaving a base of varied thickness. I know it's only a small area but the detail is what makes the whole look more real.

[ECLIPSE]

Thanks gents. (I love the feedback and advice here) I will repost tonight with new and more colorful shots:thumb:
( sorry about annoying you at home Ian )
Pete

[ECLIPSE]

OK. I've played with the color under the zimm some more (actually allot more) and have got this. I will stop now before I completely F it up.:rolleyes:
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1010127.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1010125.jpg
I've also started chipping and laying in the base colors for the small details.
I'm a bit pissed off as the lighter color I was using for the superficial scratches looks fine when I'm painting but under the camera lights it is almost white.:mad:
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1010129.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1010130.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1010131.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1010135.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1010136.jpg
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh255/peterbibby/P1010138.jpg
Fire away please.
Pete

[Ropi]

WOW it's great!

[brokeneagle]

:thumb:looking good Pete!:)
I will come down on Saturday and have a 'birds eye'. I can show you a few tricks with the oils which will hopefully take away your frustration with the primer finish.

[RickLawler]

I will stop now before I completely F it up.


Peter, Don't stop, not yet!

I was just talking to Paul Ranta and Adam Cox last night about this very subject...We suggested that one of the errors people make is that they stop before the miracle happens. There are certain stages along the way which just looks like S^&t and our tendency is to pull back or stop, rather than push through and bring the thought to fruition.

As in you case, you have a good and bold START to the process, and yes it does look a bit awkward at the moment but only because it's not complete. If I might, here are some of my suggestions to the issues you brought up;

For the Zimm, particurlarly around the edges, I'd give them a little pin wash just to help with the definition. Then I'd go back around each broken area with a light chipping action, using your chipped Zimm colors...greys, yellows, browns...etc. Then, it will probably need another light pin wash to tone down the chips and help redefine the edges and give depth.

The interior areas of the missing Zimm, it sounds like Ian's got that one...it sounds like his thoughts about the oils are right on...I might first do a little splotchy colors first with acrylics, then the oils.

For the surface scratches...go over those areas with some light and lighter color washes (oils are great for this) yellowish for the base areas, and brownish if it's over the camo areas. Very limited, very controlled...some of the scratches will fade away, others will just tone down, but the entire effect will be that they will become deeper amd more integreated part of the finish rather than just sitting over the top.

Peter, you are on the right track and are getting very close; that make me very enthused about helping...I hope that I haven't spoken out of line.

Best of luck with this one,

[ECLIPSE]

Thanks gents. Look forward to seeing you on Saturday Ian, lessons from a master, yeah baby:D. Rick, all and any advice will be gladly accepted. I've followed enough of your builds to know that when it comes to going the extra bit to get a remarkable finish your the man to listen to.
Watch this space:)
Pete

[panzermatt]

Pete,what can i say but WOW AMAZING WORK keep it up:thumb::)

[Ashen-Shugar]

Hi Pete,

nice start!

Is the much difference between this kit and the previous release of the late 3 in 1?

[ECLIPSE]

Mark, this is the basic 3 in 1. The last offering was the super duper one with lots more brass, metal barrel and magic tracks.
Ta Matt, when I get to the standard of your stuff, then I might be happy.

Ok, after some sage advice and suggestions I went back over the Tiger to tone down the chipping and give it a bit more life. Still a bit to do yet but getting there. Fire away.:)
Pete
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[Panzergrenadier]

I really like it!:cool:

I am just holding the Super kit of this vehicle in my hand and battling with myself whether or not to start it.:D

[brokeneagle]

Nice effort Pete........:thumb: The color mixing was always going to be a hard one but you've done well. Your rusted scratches look spot on!
Your yellow toning is getting there it just needs some more experience with touch and strength thats all. Some more experience with being random with your application.
It's a pity about the pictures because this tank looks a whole lot nicer in the flesh than in the photos (and it looks pretty good in the photo's) and that was before You added some tone.
Great effort ;) and thank you for a thoroughly enjoyable Saturday arvo tank fix:D.

[ECLIPSE]

Thanks Siim........super kit OHHHH YEAAAAA.
Ian, couldn't quite get the tonal variation right in the yellow and not at all in the brown. Now all I want to do is build more kits just so I can practice painting :D Finished some of the details so not to much more to go now.
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And I should be thanking you for your time and passion of all things art. It was a pleasure.I will have to take you up on your offer of a visit to the hills.
( I mean the Dandenongs )
Thanks
Pete

[RickLawler]

Peter, I can see that you've been to "school"! It's a pity about the pictures because this tank looks a whole lot nicer in the flesh than in the photos I have a feeling that is the case, I can just tellthere are sublties that I'm not picking up on.

The changes are good. The harsh scratches, have toned down nicely, and the small patch of missing Zimm on the hull looks to have a lot of nice colors. Careful about overpainting onto the Zimm! There should look to be a visual difference from rust runoff vs. overpainting...if you get my drift.

Probably the nicest work are the chips/scratches on the lower right of the turret bin.

Looks like it was a productive Saturday.


OH>>> so here I'm typing based on the last photos, and you are posting finished pictures. Well, these comments are based upon the prior set of photos. I'll look at the new set now.

[Flak]

Looks COOL...

[janno823]

Superb, love the job you have done:thumb::cool:

[Evan August]

Very nice! Will you be adding a figure? I just picked up the Voyager etch set for the Dragon Tiger, some nice stuff in there!

[Gopher]

Looks really nice Peter!
What's next?

[FINbuster]

Now all I want to do is build more kits just so I can practice painting

I know the feeling ;). Your Tiger looks really good!

[ECLIPSE]

OK, I'm calling this build finished. Now to start on the figures and base.
Anything I've missed, please let me know.:)
Cheers Pete
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[james84]

Fine job!
My Tiger I is waiting for paint!

[brokeneagle]

:thumb:looks tough Peter. Nice finish;) You look to be getting the hang of things. It just takes some practice and getting to know what the oils will do. I really love this tank you have taken quite a leap I think.:)
Can't wait to see the guys and base.

[ECLIPSE]

Morning gents. Sorry about the long break on this one. Base and crew are now painted. I have only placed the Tiger and crew on at the moment. I'm not sure what it is but something just doesn't look right. I cant put my finger on it but hopefully someone here can. Figures are Warriors and the base is a polyfoam jobby from Custom Dioramics. Any thoughts would be great.
Cheers Pete.
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[MartinD]

Hi Peter,

The diorama looks good, but the balance is off. The usual vocal point of an AFV is the front. But the action of the diorama is at its rear, with the figures. Perhaps you should turn the Tiger 180 degrees?

Cheers. MartinD

[brokeneagle]

:)Hi Pete,
I think what you need are some details joining the tank to the scene. At present it is sitting out on it's own and has no contact with the animation that the figures bring to the rear of the dio.
I would move a figure on to the tank (the sitting figure) and add some additional small details to the upper structure, such as crew stowage , ammo cases - whatever, then add some details to the street of about the same size, so that the whole scene has a spread of small details that will tie it all together, add realism and create some interesting visual stimulation. A real street has a number of small to very small things that will add to this (fire hydrant, rubbish lampost, signs, dog etc).
Also, try highlighting the small rocks in the gutter with some light colors and a fine brush.
:thumb: Wow, that was a mouthful......hope it helps.

[ECLIPSE]

Thanks Gents. I've swung the tiger around to face the other way and it looks better. I'll throw some smaller bits around see what comes of it.
Ian, will you be down on Saturday? about 1ish if you could would be great. Maybe you can cast an eye over it .
Cheers

[RickLawler]

Well, Ian hit most eveything.

Peter, I was going to suggest doing something with the tigger...my thought was to simply turn the turret around so the gun was pointing back over the rear, that way the gun won't extend across the entire front of the scene.

Speaking of the tigger, it almost seems too big for the space...I wonder if you couldn't park it onto the sidewalk up against the wall to open up a little more room for it to sit.

later,
rick

[Panzergrenadier]

I think that if you follow what the previous gentlemen have said, then it will be even better.
Yet I am left thinking, whether the base is too small for the vehicle. If it would be in the center it would be a good fit, but on the edge like that, it might need a bigger corner.:p

[greybeard]

I think Siim has nailed it. It's hard to say without seeing the whole diorama in the same frame, but the vehicle is very large and the base is not. You might try experimenting with a mock-up of a larger base to see if that makes a difference to the aesthetic. Just a suggestion . . .

Cheers
Scott Fraser