Planet Armor Team Build [Archive]

Sturmmann

08-20-2007, 09:33 PM

Thanks for the interest guys. We will do our best to make this project enjoyable for all of you.

cool idea. David does the building, Rick does the groundwork, and Erik the Jagdpanzer? ;)

Fletcher, you hit the nail right on the head. Since the JP is already finished (and a great job by Erik I may add) its time to get the ball rolling on building the ruins. I did some sketches of how the diorama will end up. Of course these are very general guidelines and its very likely some details will change along the way.

One thing we wanted was to add as much detail as we could without making it too cluttered. So we chose to use the altar wall as the main area for the action. This will allow us with many possibilities when it came to detailing.

Here is the general layout.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Miscelaneous/Sketch.jpg

We want to include details like, statues, stained glass, candles, pews, etc. Now its time to back to our workshops and start building. So, sit back and enjoy. ;)

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Miscelaneous/LaststandLastrites.jpg

Dave

holmerz

08-21-2007, 03:34 AM

Superb drawings Dave :thumb:.

We want to include details like, statues, stained glass, candles, pews, etc. Now its time to back to our workshops and start building. So, sit back and enjoy. ;)

We'll do that ;) :D.

\Erik

Gopher

08-21-2007, 03:44 AM

Wow!!

hoolyahn

08-21-2007, 04:49 AM

Super idea :thumb: A small comapct diorama would be effective; composition of the Jgpz IV/L70, church ruin, groundwork, etc.

Can't wait to see how all this come together ;)

Julian

RickLawler

08-21-2007, 01:26 PM

Hi everyone! Wow, this is really happening. Since this is my first post on this thread maybe a little backgroud information might be interesting to you all. This idea came from really came as a result of a post by Laszlo, #154, at the end of July....as seen here:
http://www.planetarmor.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3589&page=16

I PM'd Erik to run the idea of some sort of collaborative effort and he was intrigued by the thought and so we began to do a little brainstorming. As Dave had also expressed interest, we contacted Dave who was also excited by the prospect of a group build.

Over the course of the next couple of weeks, we began to Personal Message one-another with thoughts and photos. Finally we established times where we could all be on-line together for Instant Message discussions and brainstorming. We set a deadline for launching, decided upon the basic layout and story, and divided the variouis tasks.

As has already been said, Erik has been working very hard to bring us the focus of the dio, his excellent JP, and he will continue to contribute with various smaller items. Dave is going to be constructing the church structure, base, and many of the accoutrements. I will be doing the figures, various smaller items, then I believe the plan is that I will assemble the whole thing and tie everything together.

We are counting on you all to particiapate, critique, and suggest as Planeteers usually do. ;)

So, now for the work.

Dave, using my JP and your proposed base dimensions 12x12 and sketch, I kinda measured out the spacing a little more to scale.

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/layout2-1.jpg

Notice that we have two large "action areas"...front rear of the JP, and the alter area. I'm a little concerned about sight issues for the action near the alter, we'll need to be mindful of that. Also notice that I've placed the JP so the gun extends beyond the base edge, I like the idea of breaking the plane of the base. This can be done either by extending the gun as I've shown, or, we could move the exterior wall a little inward, then it would allow a small space for rubble to be spilling over the base edge. Just thinking out loud!

Here is a template of the JP which you could print to scale, I've included the dimensions from my JP...it may make visualization and layout easier for you if you have something to plop down.

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/jpdataoutline.jpg

Later everyone,

:)
rick

Panzergrenadier

08-22-2007, 03:52 AM

Guys, great idea, great team, and the result will surely be super!:thumb:

holmerz

08-22-2007, 04:35 AM

Thanks for summarizing Rick and great work on the sketch :thumb:.

\Erik

Bruga

08-22-2007, 04:51 AM

It would be better to have pictures of a Centraleuropean church first, as most have a rounded end, "ábside" in Spanish. Take into account that as it was before the Second Vatican Council, the the priest was all the time in front of the altar with his back to the community. The altar was not "in the middle", but integrated with the "decoration" at the end.

Hope not to confuse you...

BTW: I hope I had time to modelkits :(

Regards,

Antonio

Bruga

08-22-2007, 01:38 PM

RickLawler

08-22-2007, 01:56 PM

Sorry, I took for granted it was a Catholic church... protestant ones are quite different: there is almost no decoration, no figurative decoration (in most cases), no "vitraux", etc. The altar is not so important for them.

Antonio, thanks for the information. Your thoughts and observations are quite accurate. Interestingly enough, Dave and I had this very conversation the other day...as I being Catholic had certain assumptions pertaining to design and layout.

I'm sure that photos of church interiors/exteriors would be helpful to our build, so feel free to post examples which may contain useful or interesting details.

thanks
:)
Rick

james84

08-22-2007, 03:10 PM

Well, no words to describe it!
This will be a great work, definitely!

Czarny

08-22-2007, 05:17 PM

You can put your outstanding PJ in catholic or protestant church because you can find both in Prussia.
In 1525 when Poles defeat Teutonic Knights they ordered them to secularize themselves (change religious country controlled by Knightly Order into secular). Albrecht Hohenzolern last Great Master of the Teutonic Order became a King of Prussia and changes their faith into Lutheran one. Process of reformation as in all Germany was strong but in eastern Prussia many people had strong relations with catholic religion and didn’t want to change it.
Best example will be my father’s home city called Ostroda (up to 1945 called Osterode). This city is situated in East Prussia, you can find there 3 old churches, two of them are catholic and one is protestant. If I were you I will focus on the right style first. Your church should be gothic or neogothic (or even late romanesque) build using red bricks. Do you want to knew a dimensions of such bricks? If you have any questions about such a churches, its architecture of you want photos PM me – I will ad my brick to you project with pleasure ;)

Gopher

08-23-2007, 03:25 AM

Guys, one question:
will it be an action scene or peaceful?
if it's an action scene it's strange that chaplain making a mess during the battle
if it's a peaceful scene it's strange that soldier shooting
and what about JgPz crew?

holmerz

08-23-2007, 04:53 AM

krisha

08-23-2007, 05:04 AM

...or the minutes after a desperate defece, where a probe from the russians have been repulsed, leaving one dead and the rest tense and ready for more.

Bruga

08-23-2007, 05:07 AM

The priest is not celebrating a Mass, but giving the dead comrade the onction (in fact onction is not given to dead, so he will just be praying for the soul of the fallen one) I think, if this is the situation, that:

1- It´s not a Waffen-SS unit
2- He won´t be wearing the "scarf" (estola in Spanish)

I hadn´t read Eastern Prussia... I was thinking Eastern. (Alsace, Lorraine, etc)

Here are some pics (quite easy: church prussia in google):

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ziemer/POMMERN/ChurchKSchlawe.JPG&imgrefurl=http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ziemer/POMMERN/pommern.htm&h=501&w=372&sz=46&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=_1POkcrRd86P3M:&tbnh=130&tbnw=97&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dchurch%2Bprussia%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D 1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DG
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.euronet.nl/~jlemmens/files/00-221.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.euronet.nl/~jlemmens/churches.html&h=325&w=500&sz=29&hl=en&start=10&um=1&tbnid=qEEEtcxHoDLDgM:&tbnh=85&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dchurch%2Bprussia%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D 1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DG

It would be better to try to replicate a real one, or, at least the "style" unless you want to repeat "Hollywood" kind of errors :-)

Regards,

Antonio

Gopher

08-23-2007, 05:42 AM

Good qustions Andrey. First of all the hatches of the JP is glued shut, so no crew peeking out.

Concerning the situation, it could be described as tense. You could imagine the russions occupying positions nearby maybe with a sniper! This would explain the closed hatches of the JP, the grenadier is shooting blind in frustration of the death of his comrade.

Just thinking out loud.

\Erik

Good idea! but maybe it's better to make soldier not shooting, just only looking for russian sniper? And add one more soldier or crew man hiding from sniper behind the rear part of JP and also looking for him? I think it'll emphasize the dramatic effect of scene and explanу why the the crew closed the hatches.

RickLawler

08-23-2007, 11:37 AM

...will it be an action scene or peaceful?

...Concerning the situation, it could be described as tense.

Great conversation guys, this is the type of thing which will help me make the figure selection. I spent about 2 hours yesterday going through pretty much everything that is currently available on the market...checking out the options.

As noted, the atmosphere of the scene can change dramatically by the choice of the figures. As of the moment I haven't made any clear choices, I am leaning toward an "after action" type enviroment, though the danger is still near. This would allow a moment for.....
The priest is not celebrating a Mass, but giving the dead comrade the onction

1- It´s not a Waffen-SS unit

Just an observation from yesterday's seaching...there sure are a lot more Waffen SS figures on the market as compared to Herr! It looks like some clothing conversions may be in my future.

Keep the ideas and conversation flowing, it's very helpful.

:)
Rick

holmerz

08-23-2007, 11:50 AM

Rick how about this Masterbox set?

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u199/holmerz/Masterbox1.jpg

\Erik

Driver

08-23-2007, 01:18 PM

Rick

About the layout of the scene; have you thought of changing the point of view of the spectator? Make the left side wall your front side of the base. You can eliminate the door from the wall and "transfer" that part of the wall to the corner in front of the JP. (Lowering it of course.) That way you have a clear field of view to the altar and the dead soldier. That can also make the spectator to take the role of the enemy sniper.

Just my two cents!

Ruben

Bruga

08-23-2007, 01:35 PM

I think there were no priest in SS units but for only one (foreign one, don´t know, perhaps Charlemagne ?)

You put a priest or waffen, not both unless it´s mix unit, tipycal end of war, but you may have to explain latter (if you find a purist, true freak about the subject)

You can also put someone with a red cross... it will bring light and a bit of colour.

I would go for a diagonal setting, if not it seems a "box". It would be a lot of work, but a kind of "hospital" or first aid shelter in a strong building such a stone church makes sense, and the Panzerjager that has "entered" as it was being hunted by a t-34-85... some people with panzerfausts realizing they are encircled, etc

krisha

08-23-2007, 05:38 PM

How do you plan to construct the building? Plaster, paper and cork or plastic?

Sturmmann

08-23-2007, 05:55 PM

Great discussion guys.

Rick – I was looking at the layout you did using the JP template. I know you are worried about empty space, but don’t worry. To the 12x12 size of the base you have to take out maybe ½ inch per side. This will be the effect of the rotary tool for making the nice edges, so we will end up with about 11x11 of working space.

The point Ruben brought up is an excellent idea. I had discuss it with him last week, and changing the “front” of the scene will make a huge difference. Because the JP will serve as element that draws attention to what is going on between the figs.

Marcin – Thanks for the comments regarding the Churches. We were thinking of a Catholic church as they offer the most opportunities for details. Also I was thinking of a semi gothic or gothic style church. If you can find pictures, please post them.

It would be better to try to replicate a real one, or, at least the "style" unless you want to repeat "Hollywood" kind of errors :-)

Regards,

Antonio

I would go for a diagonal setting, if not it seems a "box".

Antonio,

Those are good points. I think the easiest thing is to take details and styles and bring them together in a building instead of trying to replicate a specific one. This gives you more flexibility and after all we are building a model, not planning to lecture on architecture.

Concerning the diagonal setting, it’s the best approach but in this case is not practical. Remember I have to ship this base to Rick and a diagonal layout will make the base too big. The way to avoid the box look will be the placing of the JP at an angle.

Thank you everyone for the interest and ideas.

Dave

RickLawler

08-24-2007, 02:42 PM

Hello everyone, I thought I'd post-up some of the reference photos that I have been looking at. This set of image shows some of the details and ceremony concerning the fallen soldier...."Last Rites".

http://inlinethumb14.webshots.com/3213/2322290400089413999S600x600Q85.jpg (http://news.webshots.com/photo/2322290400089413999gvdLGY)

http://inlinethumb25.webshots.com/4824/2715889160089413999S600x600Q85.jpg (http://news.webshots.com/photo/2715889160089413999hSGjNA)

http://inlinethumb21.webshots.com/5140/2184270180089413999S600x600Q85.jpg (http://news.webshots.com/photo/2184270180089413999bCJscU)

http://inlinethumb43.webshots.com/10090/2786497350089413999S600x600Q85.jpg (http://news.webshots.com/photo/2786497350089413999awviwL)

http://inlinethumb30.webshots.com/7069/2089870040089413999S600x600Q85.jpg (http://news.webshots.com/photo/2089870040089413999QdttjV)

http://inlinethumb60.webshots.com/6459/2281138900089413999S600x600Q85.jpg (http://news.webshots.com/photo/2281138900089413999iyGoRm)

http://inlinethumb37.webshots.com/8292/2431215450089413999S600x600Q85.jpg (http://news.webshots.com/photo/2431215450089413999lfWfuO)

http://inlinethumb30.webshots.com/5981/2671822550089413999S600x600Q85.jpg (http://news.webshots.com/photo/2671822550089413999bgksey)

http://inlinethumb40.webshots.com/3943/2308645450089413999S600x600Q85.jpg (http://news.webshots.com/photo/2308645450089413999xvGnza)

http://inlinethumb14.webshots.com/9997/2987828020089413999S600x600Q85.jpg (http://news.webshots.com/photo/2987828020089413999OrSaId)

http://inlinethumb17.webshots.com/11984/2029305400089413999S600x600Q85.jpg (http://news.webshots.com/photo/2029305400089413999TxFqHy)

http://inlinethumb49.webshots.com/10992/2349267220089413999S600x600Q85.jpg (http://news.webshots.com/photo/2349267220089413999pEYbQw)

Later,

Rick

canjuaan

08-24-2007, 04:39 PM

The hardest thing which can probably happen to a soldier, no matter where he's from and what he's fighting for, losing a comrade in the battle.
Very striking photos, thanks for posting them.
I don't want to know what this guy's head would've looked like... http://inlinethumb40.webshots.com/3943/2308645450089413999S600x600Q85.jpg

Johannes

Sturmmann

08-25-2007, 10:48 AM

Hello all,

Here are some photos of Saint Michael of Hildesheim in Germany. There are some characteristics that can be useful references for our build.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Miscelaneous/SaintMichaelofHildesheim.jpg

Notice the great variety of colors and styles when it comes to the stones on the walls.
Also note the round windows and round arches.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Miscelaneous/smhInterior.jpg

Here is a photo of the interior. Notice the round arches making an appearence once again, and the great variety when it comes to the capitels. The ones on the right side are Corint style capitels while the ones on the left are simply square ones.

Also the half round rear wall behind the altar. The colors on the arch stones are also very brilliant using terracotta and an off white color. Over all I think there is plenty of flexibility and we can incorporate different elements in the design.

Dave

RickLawler

08-25-2007, 01:56 PM

Super good photos Dave, can you imagine pieces of this ceiling laying amongst the ruins? Wow! Maybe look into fabric pieces or wrapping paper... !

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/smhInterior1.jpg

rick

lquah

08-25-2007, 02:02 PM

Just to add to Rick's last rites photos..

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/lquah/Misc%20-%20Planet%20Armor/1664FotoPanzerKdrOrdenDKEKBeerdigun.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/lquah/Misc%20-%20Planet%20Armor/1665FotoPanzerKdrOrdenDKEKBeerdigun.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/lquah/Misc%20-%20Planet%20Armor/1666FotoPanzerKdrOrdenDKEKBeerdigun.jpg

Grossdeutschalnd burial
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/lquah/Misc%20-%20Planet%20Armor/2ORIGINALFOTOSdeutscherPANZERGrber-.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/lquah/Misc%20-%20Planet%20Armor/2ORIGINALFOTOSdeutscherPANZERGrb-1.jpg

LQ

RickLawler

08-27-2007, 02:22 PM

Thanks Lawerence for the extra photos, they definately convey the mood we are after.

I've pulled together some figures which I think might be appropriate for our scene. We will have two "action areas"; (1) Last Stand, 2-4 figures in ready poses awaiting further action....(2) Last Rites, 2-3 figures, paying repsects over the fallen comerade.

Here are some ideas so far, your feedback or further offerings are appreciated.

Set:
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/DR62731-1.jpg
Figure:
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/DR62731.jpg

Set:
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/MTB35261-1.jpg
Figures:
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/MTB35261.jpg

Set:
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/0000000116731.jpg
Figure:
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/0000000116731-1.jpg

Set:
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/dr60571.jpg
Figure:
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/dr60571-1.jpg

Set:
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/dr60741-1.jpg
Figure:
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/dr60741.jpg

Set:
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/MTB35181-1.jpg
Figure:
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/MTB35181.jpg

Figures:
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/wa352941.jpg

These last two are from Warriors, and are showing as "out of stock check back" at Squadron/VLS and not in-stock for a very long time at GreatModels...does anybody have any information about them...will they become available or is there another source?
Item # WA35294

So, of course there are thousands of figs to choose from, so any further suggestions are welcomed.....the only conditions being that they are Late War, preferably Heer, good quality molding, and not too much conversion necessary. I have numerous Hornet and Warriors replacement heads to help enchance figures if necessary.

Talk to you all later,
:)
Rick

holmerz

08-27-2007, 04:08 PM

Really interesting candidates you picked out Rick :thumb:. What brand is the first set? I haven't been able to find the warrior set, sorry.

\Erik

RickLawler

08-27-2007, 05:12 PM

Really interesting candidates you picked out Rick :thumb:. What brand is the first set?

\Erik

Erik, interesting good or interesting bad?

I talked to Dave over the weekend and he suggested looking at the Dragon Medical Troops set, as that was the figure he had based his drawing upon. Our thought was his arms and hands could be reworked to be holding a book. The kneeling fig. looking so distraught could also be reworked for a less dramatic pose also

I am also thinking that a standing figure, head bowed holding his rifle, in addition to - or instead of, the kneeling would be effective....based upon the real images posted above.

As for the other fellows, I'm thinking that they should reflect somewhat a lull or pause in the fighting....allowing for this brief moment for Last Rite to take place, otherwise I feel the juxtoposition between the types of action, fighting and reverence, would be too severe.

So, what do you think? Am I on track with my thoughts and the figs?

....and that set is Dragon.

:)
Rick

holmerz

08-27-2007, 06:02 PM

Oh sorry, interesting good :D. Well that expression is almost always positive in danish. Yeah I think you have a lot of godd material there, and with a little planning I don't think there will be a need for a lot of conversion.

\Erik

Panzergrenadier

08-27-2007, 07:49 PM

Guys I hope you get the figs sorted out nicely. I trust your taste in these matters! Model on!:thumb:

holmerz

09-04-2007, 02:26 AM

So last Friday the JP was shipped to Rick and hopefully it'll arive in one piece. Fingers crossed.

\Erik

Dutchbird

09-04-2007, 04:54 AM

A great idea,

just a few things regarding the church ruins (you can do with it as you wish)... be aware of the architectural style, both where the region and the age of the church are concerned. The architectural style can vary massively by region, even if they are only a short distance apart. Also, the building material can vary greatly (white sandstone, grey stone, brick), depending on the region.

The pictures of the church in Hildesheim are very nice, but remember that that is a church in Roman style, in essence built during the 11th century (1010-1030). At that time, the Prussians were still pagan!!!!! That style went out of fashion in the thirteenth century, to be replaced by Gothic. And even there, the gothic styles of say France, Italy, Germany, England and Spain differ greatly. Even a relative short distance can show great differences (Cologne and Strasbourg vs Reims, Amiens and Chartres. Or Winchester, Exeter, Lincoln and even Canterbury vs Rouen, Paris and Beauvais).

Some of the most obvious aspects are the height, length and width of the buildings (France high, England long, Italy/Spain wider). The differences in decoration, especially of the interior are even far greater. Also, most of the great churches we see today were WAY beyond the means of most towns in medieval times. Even the richest cities, monasteries and dioceses had problems financing their construction, which is one of the main causes for their builds taking so long (Salisbury cathedral, completed in roughly 50 years is almsot unique in that respect), with most of the time construction taking well over a century.

Smaller town churches share many of the basic characteristics, but are much smaller (in scale) and less elaborate in decoration.

Also, many churches were reconstructed to some extent in later centuries, varying from new interior elements (altars, graves, windows) to reconstructions of vaults or the replacement/addition of whole sections of the building (Winchester, Exeter and St. Albans in the UK or the Sta Maria Maggiore in Rome are good examples).

Most likely you'll be looking at a church in Gothic style, probaly built in brick, as the earliest building possible. Later churches might be far more decorative.

If you want me to, I can see what I can dig up in images. I have a part time job at the library of the faculty of architecture at Delft Technical University (it is 100m from my home anyway). I can scan them there and give you an idea...

Good luck with your efforts, and I am looking forward to the result!

Cheers,

Harm

Sturmmann

09-04-2007, 06:15 PM

Harm,

Nice to have you on board! We really appreciate your comments on the church. If it is not too much trouble it be nice if you can find some photos of gothic style churches especially interior details. I am about to start building the church and all references will be extremely useful.

Thanks for the interest

Dave

Dutchbird

09-05-2007, 01:14 AM

I'll see what I can get you before sunday.

Probably friday I will have time to scan them and get them online... today and tomorrow I am stuck at work and university.

Cheers,

Harm

holmerz

09-05-2007, 03:29 AM

Wauw Harm, you sure know a lot about churches. Great to have your expertise at hand :thumb:.

\Erik

RickLawler

09-06-2007, 08:49 PM

Hi Guys, doing some searching on the clergy in the wehrmacht and ran across a little information. It appears that the majority of the ceremonial matters on the line were conducted by the regular members of the troop, although members of the clergy in the wehrmacht did exist.

This is Franz Dohrmann, one of the principals for the clergy in the Werhmact:

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/dohrmann__franz1.jpg

Evangelischer Feldbischof D.h.c. Franz Dohrmann
Born: 04/10/1881 in Groß-Lübbichow near Frankfurt On The Oder.
Died: 19/04/1969 in Munich.

1st Theological Exam (??/09/1905)
2nd Theological Exam (??/03/1908)
Ordained in Berlin (22/05/1908).
Auxiliary-Clegyman at the Heilig-Geist-Kirche in Potsdam (1908-1909).
Auxiliary-Preacher in Potsdam with the Guards-Division (1909-1910).
Division-Priest in Bromberg (19/12/1910-1920).
Priest (19/12/1916)
Military-District-Priest in Stettin (1920-31/03/1934).
Honorary Doctor Of The Theological Faculty Of The University Of Griefswald (1925).
Consistorial-Advisor in the Evangelical Consistorium of the Province of Pomerania (1927).
Evangelical Field-Bishop of the Wehrmacht (01/04/1934-22/04/1945).
Interned in the Benedictine-Closter Niederalteich (22/04/1945-22/07/1945).
Priest of the 2nd Rectorate of St. Lucas-Kirche in Munich (16/01/1946-31/10/1951).
Retired (31/10/1951).

Looking for the piping colors or other distinctive marks of the uniform, I found this:

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/item_chap11.jpg

The cap has a field-gray wool body, dark green band, violet piping for Clergy, Silver hand embroidered wreath-cockade, silver colored eagle and cross, silver chin cords, vulkanfiber visor, gray leather sweat band.

And a couple of period photos:

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/medic631.jpg
Field Services Romania 1941

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/medic621.jpg
Last Rites for allied soldiers, Greece 1941

Anyway, I don't know if it gets us anywhere, but it's interesting.

Rick

Sturmmann

09-06-2007, 08:56 PM

That’s pretty interesting Rick, in particular the difference in headgear of the Werhmact clergy personnel.
The important thing is that it may not be necessary to have a clergy person performing the ceremony; it could be their officer in charge at the moment.

Dave

Dutchbird

09-07-2007, 02:38 PM

Ok Dave,

I have made a couple (50 or so) scans today. I do have a problem however. I currently have to work on a lap top I borrowed (the motherboard of my own computer died on me) and am unable to get photoshop running. Some of the scans are fairly big. Is there a possibility of mailing them directly to you? The total folder with scans is a little under 1 GB. The average scan is <25 MB. One, of the interior of a church is 80MB. They are also too big to be posted here directly (unfortunately).

A few of the scans are in fact sketches and drawings with some general rules of proportion that seem to have been fairly universal.

I lucked out and found a book, "The sacral art of Poland: architecture" (1956) with many pictures, all in black and white. Many (if not all) dating to before WWII. Hence the high number of scans. They have images of "smaller churches."

I also have a few scans of (bad) copies of another book, with a nice view of the Ste. Chapelle in Paris. Even though in Paris and a royal chapel, it gives a good impression of the size of a small (!) church.

Last I have color scans of the book "Gotik" (Konemann, 1998) in Dutch translation. Most scans are related to German style churches, built in brick. Scans include the churches of Danzig, Odense, Roskilde and Munich. Odd balls are scans of two highlights in Gothic: The cathedral of Beauvais (interior)and the "Crazy Vaults" of Lincoln cathedral.

Just one thing to keep in mind: churches in general, even those in small towns and villages are BIG. Average length runs into 20 m (60ft) easily, width and height to 15 m (45ft). Spans of the nave/choir reach 6 m easily (even for the smaller churches)! Piers supporting the structure even in those churches easily reach the 1 m (3ft) diameter, and walls start with a thickness of 0.6m (2ft). It also makes them very hard things to destroy!!! The bottom of windows often start at 2.5/3m from the ground.

See for instance the pick of the church in Holmerz initial post, which I guess to be Coventry cathedral (which in fact was originally built as a city church rather than a cathedral!). If so, a lot of it is still standing even after the massive air raid by the Germans. The same is shown by the picture of the Marienkirche in Danzig in my scans. The vaults are gone, but most of the walls are still standing!!!

To put in perspective the most extreme, in 1/35:

Length of Winchester cathedral: over 3 m (10ft)
Interior height Beauvais (42m): 1.2 m (4ft)
Height of tower Ulm (162m): 4.7m (16ft)

Keep in mind that the dimensions of a Gothic cathedral all are all geometrically related. Height of the nave and choir is related to the width (often between 2 and 2.5 times the span; beauvais with height = 3*span is extreme). I tried to give as good an impression of the dimensions (and their relations) as possible. Width of the aisles is often related to the span of the nave (etc. etc).

You also lucked out as far as the east end of the church goes. It can both be flat or part of a polygon (often 3 sections of an equal sided octagon, sometimes 5 sided of a equal sided 12 sided thingy (like octagon)). The main building material of the church would most likely be brick. Quarried stone would be hard to come by in East Prussia, and therefore very costly. Even the biggest churches of Danzig and Posnan (just as the cathedrals of Odense, Roskilde, Stralsund, and major churches in Lubeck) are all of brick. Often with sections whitewashed and painted (see pictures). Even in the major churches, little else but the sculptures was made from quarried stone. Many churches, especially the bigger ones with a paved floor, would also have had tombstones in the floor.

You will have the opportunity to literally dwarf the the men and the vehicle with the building. Especially if the position is improvised, and taken in in a hurry, the Jagdpanzer will probably have had to negotiate a lot of rubble to get into position!

I will add a Word file with the pictures themselves (and explanation if so required).

I hope this helps some,

Harm

Dutchbird

09-07-2007, 02:40 PM

Just padding my post count,

but if it is possible to send the pics to you, if you want to, you can send me an email address through PM.

Cheers,

Harm

RickLawler

09-09-2007, 11:34 AM

So last Friday the JP was shipped to Rick and hopefully it'll arive in one piece. Fingers crossed.

\Erik

Well, here it is!!!! :)

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/DSC09958.jpg

This box has traveled 4926 miles / 7912 kilometers, lets see what's inside! It looks as though Eric has done a nice job of packing.

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/DSC09964.jpg

Eric thoughtfully including some paints if touch-up might be necessary.

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/DSC09966.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/DSC09968.jpg

Well, here is the moment of truth! It seems as though the JP suffered a bit of "battle damage" during transit. Here is what was revealed when the packing was removed.

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/DSC09976.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/DSC09978.jpg

It was at this point that I realized that the gun was missing. I searched the box and carefully shook the vehicle, but found nothing. :confused: Upon further examination under a light, I could see that the entire gun had been shoved into the hull and was pretty much stuck in there. It took awhile with some tweezers and careful coaxing, but the barrel finally did extended itself to where I could get a hold of it...

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/DSC09982.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/DSC09979.jpg

A closer look at the extend of the damage....Hang-on Eric it's not so bad!!!!:eek::D

Rear damage includes knocked off exhaust, rear light, and fender ...all easy fixes!

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/DSC09986.jpg

Front light on left fender has broken off...another easy fix!

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/DSC09988.jpg

Bracket on Right fender....easy fix!

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/DSC09990.jpg

Cleaning rods scattered about...no problem.

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/DSC09992.jpg

Left side road wheel and drive wheel unattached....again, easy to fix!

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/DSC09984.jpg

The most dramatic damage was to the gun and mantlet assembly. As you can see it is just a matter of putting everything back in it's place. This is where the touch-up paints will be extremely useful as there are some scrapes on the metal gun barrel...

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/DSC09987.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/DSC09995.jpg

OK ERIC, that's it! You can breath now! :D

All things considered it's not in too bad of shape...as I've pointed out all of the issues are easily addressed. I'll make the necessary fixes and post them when I'm finished.

Just one other note...Eric has done a wonderful job on the Jagdpanzer, it is so much nicer to look at in person than these photos can ever express, it's quite a privelege to be involved with people and builders of this calibre.....Well Done Eric amd Thanks!

Rick

Gopher

09-09-2007, 01:18 PM

Killers!! Killers!!
Rick, Eric, i belive everithing will be fixed fast and easily.
Once more - great model!

PS thats why i never transporting my models even to model shows

Jan Peters

09-09-2007, 02:28 PM

WOW just be glad you didn't write "breakable" on the box.... it seems postalworkers shake it even harder then :rolleyes:
Still a pitty to see it in this state, well at least all can be fixed without too much trouble.
Jan :)

holmerz

09-09-2007, 05:18 PM

Oh my.....little baby :yell::yell::yell: :D Just kidding, I'm Fully confident that Rick will fix her :thumb:. Concerning the barrel maybe it wasn't that bad after all, since it was pointing in a strange direction. I once more underestimated the fast drying time of cyano acrylate when I glued it on. Btw the left fender is not supposed to be there Rick, just so you don't waste any time looking for it. And thanks I'm glad you like it Rick :).

regards

Erik

holmerz

09-09-2007, 05:48 PM

btw did you notize the PE fret between the two pieces of cardboard with the towing cable taped onto it?

regards

Erik

Panzergrenadier

09-09-2007, 05:57 PM

Nasty stuff, but I too am confident in Rick. I'm thinking now what will happen to Dave's dio.......lets move on shall we.:D

Sticky

09-09-2007, 06:05 PM

wow, that is some serious damage. Maybe next time a box within a box?

RickLawler

09-09-2007, 09:06 PM

btw did you notize the PE fret between the two pieces of cardboard with the towing cable taped onto it?

Yes Erik, I noticed the PE and the cable. I'll need to check with you when I'm ready to install the antenna for the proper placement etc.

Concerning the barrel maybe it wasn't that bad after all, since it was pointing in a strange direction.
Maybe a happy break? Perhaps I'll wait for the final installation of the gun in order to leave some fiddle room around Dave's build.

wow, that is some serious damage. Maybe next time a box within a box?

Well John, like I tried to say it looks worse than it really is, mostly it's just stuff popped off at the glue lines. The good thing is that nothing is actually broken. As for shipping this stuff around, you are correct, we'll need to better think our packaging.

I'm thinking now what will happen to Dave's dio.......
Siim, think good thoughts....! :D

later guys,
:)
Rick

Sturmmann

09-09-2007, 10:41 PM

What a shame. :( :( I can’t help it but to feel real bad seen the JP like that. I am sure all the damage will be fixed but still.

I'm thinking now what will happen to Dave's dio.......lets move on shall we.:D

Here is hoping my friend, here is hoping.

I am already thinking of making the building in pre assembled sections to minimize the risk of Rick ending up with a real ruin.

Dave

RickLawler

09-13-2007, 07:13 PM

Hey guys. I recieved the first of the figures that I've been ordering....I was able to track these fellows down from someone that finally had them in stock.

I like these guys and think that they might be good candidates for our project...? I went ahead and assembled them, filled some bubble-holes, and I'll paint them while I continue to accumalate other options.

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/warriorsfigs.jpg

David...the modular idea for the structure is probably a good idea. Did you have any luck with the brick idea?

:)
Rick

Sturmmann

09-13-2007, 09:40 PM

Rick,

I think these figs actually fit the scene pretty good.

Concerning the brick idea, so far it’s working. I have been away from my bench this week due to excessive work, but tomorrow is Friday and I will be able to get things done.

I will be basically making a set of brick texture blocks and making a mould to mass produce them. The blocks are done; all I need to do is pour the mold. I will post photos of the progress this weekend.

Dave

canjuaan

09-14-2007, 06:42 AM

Very nice figures, I wished I had them as well.
I'm very curious how this project turns out. It's already very promising!

Joh

Kreighshoer

09-14-2007, 07:06 AM

hello groupbuilders ...

maybe those figures are of some use for you:

hornet:
kneeing soldier (http://www.greenwichgateway.com/hornetandwolf/Hornet/figurines/images/GH09.jpg) ... looks like ss but could easily be used as wehrmacht with camo shirt

wolf:
wounded soldier (http://www.greenwichgateway.com/hornetandwolf/Wolf/figurines/images/W2401.jpg) ... unfortunately again ss but same as for figure above

peddinghaus:
hitlerjunge (http://www.peddinghaus-decals.de/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=565&category_id=8&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1)

seated ss grenadier (http://www.peddinghaus-decals.de/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=423&category_id=8&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1) ... again some conversion job but i like the pose

wehrmacht kradmelder (http://www.peddinghaus-decals.de/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=1269&category_id=8&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1)

the big problem with peddinghaus is that his figures are hard to get and when you order some you may have to wait a while

yosci:

wounded panzer crewman (http://www.coloradominiatures.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=3964)

wounded vehicle crewman (http://www.coloradominiatures.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2141)

wounded panzer crewman n°2 (http://www.coloradominiatures.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=3617)

ss tank rider (http://www.coloradominiatures.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2811) ... another conversion job needed but same or almost the same figure as the peddinghaus pendant

i stop the flood now - we all know that there are loads of figures out there ... i hope you find my figure proposals helpful for you very cool project guys

cheers

holmerz

09-14-2007, 09:16 AM

Good choice Rick. The figures looks like they're of great quality. Looking forward to 'em painted. How is the patient btw.

\Erik

Panzergrenadier

09-14-2007, 01:18 PM

Looking good....:D

Larry Bates

09-14-2007, 01:20 PM

Hey all,

Rick, I have one of those figure sets that I'll probably never use if you want it, only one fig glued I think.

It's the one where the germans are standing next to the t-34.

Laz

RickLawler

09-14-2007, 02:05 PM

Rick, I have one of those figure sets that I'll probably never use if you want it, Hey Laz, thanks...I guess that I'm unsure which set you are refering too..could you clarify which one please.?

hello groupbuilders ...

maybe those figures are of some use for you:

Laura, thanks for all the suggestions....I had my eye already on that Hornet figure...I'm just not sure about the conversioin of the camo smock? Is it the same cut as heer? ...splinter pattern?

How are the patient btw.

\Erik

Erik, that patient is resting comfomtably....I haven't had a chance to do any work yet.

Rick

Larry Bates

09-14-2007, 09:14 PM

Well, I'd post it, but I can't open my kitpic account for some reason. :confused:

It's the one you posted above with all the dml box sets. It's Germangrenadiers (east prussia) 1945 kit 6057.

that one :D

Kreighshoer

09-15-2007, 05:20 AM

I'm just not sure about the conversioin of the camo smock? Is it the same cut as heer? ...splinter pattern?

i'd say that the longer the war the more likely could it be that a regular member of the heer could be seen with a ss camo smock as every soldier took the opportunity to lay their hands on everything ensuring their survival ...

that so far concerning this hornet figure labelled as ss grenadier but preferreably painted as member of the wehrmacht.

i just had a look in my library and i found those two examples of heeres camo smocks:

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/71/4528371/1280_3361346538613131.jpg
taken for discussion purpose only!

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/71/4528371/1280_3238336430373031.jpg
taken for discussion purpose only!

both pictures are from: peterson, daniel: wehrmacht camouflage uniforms & post-war derivatives. - singapore: windrow&greene publishing, 1995 ISBN: 1 85915 005 5

so i'd say - whatever a manufacturer labels a figure, paint it as you like ... i don't see differences like with a panzer uniform shape. and if there are ss collar tabs visible ... that's an easy conversion :)

hope that helps ...

cheers

RickLawler

09-15-2007, 08:17 AM

Thanks Laura.....I hadn't had a chance to do any reasearch....you're making it easy for me!!!! ;)

I'll add the photos to my painting references that I'm putting together...I've done SS camo, but never splinter before :eek:! This will be interesting.

So lets get some feedback people.....Which figure do you prefer to be next to the fallen soldier...the "Last Rites" part of this scene.
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/GH091.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/dr60741.jpg
(sorry about the small image)

Rick

Evan August

09-15-2007, 12:33 PM

Looks like this is going to be awesome! Look forward to seeing it come together guys.

Sturmmann

09-15-2007, 12:38 PM

Hello everyone.

Well now that the JP has arrived and Rick is already working on the figs, its time for me to get my part of the show rolling.

I would like to thank Harm, for all the help concerning the building materials of the cathedrals of Eastern Prussia. His advice has been of great help.

Now, I needed to come up with a way to make brick walls. The easiest way would have been to sculpt the walls directly, but I wanted something I could use again and again in case I wanted to do a similar dio in the future, so I resorted to the power of mass production.

It all started with a few plaster blocks I had laying around. The rectangular blocks are roughly 1 inch x ½ inch x ½ inch. The curved ones and the smaller blocks have different dimensions.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/1.jpg

I needed to give the blocks a brick texture. For this I used a brick pattern plastic sheet available from www.plastruct.com.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/2.jpg

I cut a piece of plastic of the same dimensions as the blocks.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/3.jpg

One thing about making modular brick sets is that bricks need to overlap all over the face of the wall. So I cut some bricks out in order to create that effect. These individual bricks will be replaced with plastic rectangles once the wall is built.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/4.jpg

The plastic part was then glued to the plaster blocks.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/5.jpg

For the corner sections I wanted to add some corner stones. While I was wondering and thinking of how I would do this something came to mind. I remember one of my design professors used to say, “The first rule of design is to see if you already have something that can do the function you desire” I then remembered I had saved some parts from a plastic cottage kit years ago. I search for it and site enough the corner stone sections worked perfect.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/6.jpg

I cut a section to fit the blocks…

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/7.jpg

…and the corner blocks were done.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/8.jpg

I also needed some sections to represent damage. For this I decided to make some ruined sections.

I started with a block of 1in x ½ in x ¼ in. And cut a section of plastic brick the same side, and then cut the bricks in a diagonal pattern making sure cut between the brick.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/9.jpg

Then, using the brick section as a guide I traced the pattern onto the block.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/10.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/11.jpg

Using a small hand saw I removed the unwanted section.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/12.jpg

Once this was done, I glued the plastic section to the block.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/13.jpg

I also made an interior section showing bricks with cracked plaster.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/14.jpg

The idea behind all this is that they will fit together to give the impression of ruined sections.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/15.jpg

Now, the entire set of brick blocks was done. These will serve as the masters for making a mould and mass produce them.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/16.jpg

Sturmmann

09-15-2007, 12:43 PM

It was time now to make the mould. I am not going to go into details on how to make rubber molds. If you wish to see how this is done in detail visit my thread on the tips and tricks section. (http://www.planetarmor.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3015)

The first thing was to fix the parts to a glass surface. I use glass for two reasons, 1st glass won't bend or warp, and 2nd glass is very smooth and this will create a smooth face for the mould. In addition to the parts I had made I added some individual bricks from the Italeri brick set. These will come in handy later when we add the rubble.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/A1.jpg

Its important that the parts are fixed in place. For this I used Elmer’s rubber cement. If the parts are just placed they will tend to float once the rubber in poured and this will ruin the mold.

Now for Rick’s favorite part. I made the case for the mould using Lego blocks.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/A2.jpg

Once this case was also set in place I mixed the RTV and slowly pour it.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/A3.jpg

I left this to dry overnight and this morning de-molded the parts.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/A4.jpg

Now I mixed plaster using the “wet-water” method to avoid bubbles.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/A5.jpg

Here is the first run of the mold. We now have UNLIMITED brick wall sections!

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/A6.jpg

Its time to start building.

Dave

holmerz

09-15-2007, 01:00 PM

Superb work Dave, and a really genius solution to constructing the walls :thumb:.
Looking forward to the next update.

\Erik

Jan Peters

09-15-2007, 01:17 PM

Great SBS on the wallsections. I can't wait for it all to come together!
Jan :)

Gopher

09-15-2007, 01:58 PM

Cool!
Waiting for more!

Larry Bates

09-16-2007, 02:20 AM

:thumb::thumb::thumb:

RickLawler

09-16-2007, 10:02 AM

Now for Rick’s favorite part. I made the case for the mould using Lego blocks.
:D:D
You know, it's just always better with Lego's!

Brilliant Dave!

:)
Rick

RickLawler

09-21-2007, 01:42 PM

Hi Erik, Dave, and the rest of the Planet -teers. I've been working on one of the Warriors figures, this is my first attempt at wehrmacht splinter pattern camo....I didn't put in any rain marks on the camo, as it's really small and frankly I'm afraid that I'll probably make a mess of things.

The pics are kinda dark, the colors are a little more vibrant in real-life...

So here we have contestant #1...a weary soldier having a quick smoke duing a lull in the fighting, glancing over to watch his comrade being given Last Rites....

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/DSC00068.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/DSC00111.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/DSC00130.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/DSC00088.jpg

:)
Rick

Gopher

09-21-2007, 03:22 PM

Great work Rick!
Splinter pattern camo looks nice, but i cant see small black lines on it like this http://diorama.ru/gallery/figures/1121/.
Maybe bad photos?

RickLawler

09-21-2007, 04:07 PM

Andrey, those little lines are the rainmarks that I was refering to..super fine at 1/35, but seeing the example that you provided gives me courage to give it a shot.

I've seen/heard that some folks use either a draftmen pen or pencil with dk.green ink...perhaps I'll give that a try.

R

Sturmmann

09-21-2007, 05:51 PM

Nice work Rick!

Those rain marks can be a real pain. The way I usually do it is to use a fine new brush (10/0 should do) and keep the paint fluid instead of pasty, and it takes time since is better to do a few at a time.
I guess ink could work just as well since its always fluid, but I would use paint as in can run into places you dont want it to. I also think the draftmen's pen is too large for this, a brush would do much better.

I am pretty sure you can do it Rick.

Dave

Kreighshoer

09-22-2007, 03:17 AM

hiho group builders ...

have a look at what i just found during a search for new figures ... not useable for me but maybe for your project ...

German doing Graves regist (http://www.modellbau-koenig.de/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/186_185_356/products_id/7747) (lincoln county line) - late war, wehrmacht, shovel and grave cross!

cheers

holmerz

09-22-2007, 03:32 AM

Rick the figure looks great, nice painting :thumb:.

\Erik

Panzergrenadier

09-25-2007, 04:21 AM

The figures look nice, they came out far better that I could have done!:)

RickLawler

10-02-2007, 02:18 PM

Hi everyone....well with the M2 off the bench I got a chance to pull Erik's JP out of the box and give it the attention it deserves.

As I speculated, this was a very EASY repair, not taking too much time or thought at all. The only hang-ups were that I apparently lost the black-out cap on the front headlight and one of the small reflectors on the left rear mudguard. Not to worry, however, I simply took the parts off my JP...problems solved.

So Erik, here she is...looking much better. ;)

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/DSC00566.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/DSC00568.jpg

Now for a little touch-up painting and we'll be ready for business....

:)
R

Gopher

10-02-2007, 03:18 PM

good repear Rick
looks like a new one!

holmerz

10-03-2007, 04:42 AM

Looking great Dr. Rick :thumb:. When I get to it I'll send you a scan of some scale drawings in order to get the antennas positioned correctly. One thought, if the areas of peeled off paint on the barrel aren't to large, maybe it would be easier to simulate some chipping. Just a thought. Looking forward to the next update.

\Erik

RickLawler

10-03-2007, 02:25 PM

When I get to it I'll send you a scan of some scale drawings in order to get the antennas positioned correctly. One thought, if the areas of peeled off paint on the barrel aren't to large, maybe it would be easier to simulate some chipping. Just a thought.
\Erik

Erik, you were reading my mind about the paint....I ws looking at it and I'm pretty sure that the airbrush isn't the way to go...the scratches are not significant enough to warrant. With the paints that you included, I think that I'll be able to get a pretty good match and do some careful brushwork...and if it's still too significant or noticeable I can then move onto a peel or scratch.

In other news...I continue to work on the figures. I've gone back to do a little more work on the first figure, and I've painted a second. I did add the rain marks on the splinter camo, though if done in scale they really don't show on the photo's very well....

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/DSC00876-1.jpg

...just for fun I put them into some context....

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k200/RickLawler/GroupBuild/chruchfig.jpg

thanks for following along,
:)
rick

FAUST

10-03-2007, 05:34 PM

Ola Rick

I have been reading this thread from front to back and I have to say that I really like the intiative. And some impressive work too. Eriks JP looks very nice too. and the repairs were very good... I think chipping the bad spots is probably the easiest way to go.
Figures look very good too.. I'm really curious as to what the endresult will be.

With friendly greetz

Robert Blokker

Sturmmann

10-07-2007, 10:17 PM

Nice work on the rebuilding Rick. :thumb: I also like the background photo you used for the figs. Do you have more similar photos? They would come in handy when painting the church.

Now for some news on my neck of the woods. I have been slowly working on the Church but now with the Panzer IV out of the way I can dedicate more time to the base. Here are some photos of this week’s progress.

First I varnished the wood for the base. I applied the varnish to the edges as the center will be hidden by the model.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/1-1.jpg

Using some blocks I had left over from the temple I made the foundations of the church. These will be of stone instead of brick.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/2-1.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/3-1.jpg

Since we had previously agreed that the entire base should be the church I didn’t leave much space at the edges. I only left a border of ½ inch. Maybe we could add some odds and ends when it comes to rubble, but we will see how it goes when we get there.

Next I started with the floor tiles. These took quite a while to cast since I could only cast two at a time. I used these tiles to line up the edges of the walls.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/4-1.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/5-1.jpg

I also included some tiles with decorative details to the floor. Here is a close up of the pattern.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/6-1.jpg

Up next was the center floor. I wanted to make a different pattern in order to add interest to the floor. So I used some small brick tiles and glued the together.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/7-1.jpg

I made enough to cover an area slightly larger than what I needed. I placed the bricks at a 45 degree angle to give it more interest.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/8-1.jpg

Once the glue had dried I marked the area needed making sure that the brick were lined up at exactly 45 degrees.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/9-1.jpg

Using a metal ruler and the blunt end of a knife a scribed the plaster and cut the area I needed.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/10-1.jpg

Now the center floor section was cropped.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/11-1.jpg

I was then able to slide it in between the other tiles. There is a little curved space way at the back that was not covered but since another level will be placed on top there is no need to make the tiles extend all the way to the back.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/12-1.jpg

Here is a close up of the details on the floor.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/13-1.jpg

Up next I will start on the walls.

Until next time.

Dave

Jan Peters

10-07-2007, 11:56 PM

Superb flooring Dave!
Jan :)

holmerz

10-08-2007, 03:13 AM

Excellent work Dave :thumb:. I'm really excited this, looking forward to the next update.

\Erik

Flak

10-08-2007, 09:01 AM

looks :cool:

Gopher

10-08-2007, 09:47 AM

great!

tamigawa

10-08-2007, 11:46 AM

Awesome work David, really amazing. :thumb:

one question though, is this a synagogue or a church because that script looks like Hebrew. :confused:

RickLawler

10-08-2007, 05:35 PM

That's some pretty handy mansonary work there Dave!!!! Matter of fact, it rated a "wow, that's pretty neat" form my wife....!

As for the background photo that I used behind the figs, I just Googled-Images something like "church ruins" or "building rubble" and it popped-up.

take care,
rick

Sturmmann

10-08-2007, 07:33 PM

Thanks guys,

That's some pretty handy mansonary work there Dave!!!! Matter of fact, it rated a "wow, that's pretty neat" form my wife....!
rick

Thanks Rick,

Its cool that your wife also got to see it, or did she came running when she heard you yelling “At last he started to build!!!” :D:D

Awesome work David, really amazing. :thumb:

one question though, is this a synagogue or a church because that script looks like Hebrew. :confused:

Thanks Fletch,

It’s not actually meant to be any scrip or language, just some details to add variety.

Dave

Larry Bates

10-08-2007, 08:11 PM

Dave,

the start of the church looks pretty freekin' awesome! YOu really have a way with that plaster molding for building blocks. I gotta try it. :thumb::thumb::thumb::p

Laz

tamigawa

10-08-2007, 10:35 PM

Thanks Fletch,

It’s not actually meant to be any scrip or language, just some details to add variety.

Dave

It's kick-ass anyway :thumb:

Panzergrenadier

10-09-2007, 04:03 PM

Dave, the stuff that you create is just fantastic and detailed. It is a pleasure to see it.:thumb:

Nate

10-10-2007, 09:47 AM

I really like what i've seen up to now and i can't wait to see it finished

Sturmmann

10-10-2007, 07:49 PM

Thanks Guys!

YOu really have a way with that plaster molding for building blocks. I gotta try it. :thumb::thumb::thumb::p

Laz

Give it a shot Larry, its easy, and its lots of fun, actually is very addictive. :D

Dave

Sturmmann

10-12-2007, 12:06 AM

Its time for another update. :)

Now that the floor was done I needed to make the raised floor where the altar would go. First I placed some extra pieces so they would serve as supports for the floor.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/1-2.jpg

Next I started to build the raised floor. I used some smooth blocks to make a kind of frame for the floor.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/2-2.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/3-2.jpg

For the center of the floor I glued some small tiles in a diagonal pattern. Again I choose a different pattern in order to break the lines and create interest. Just like the center of the lower floor I began by gluing enough tiles to cover an area slightly larger than what I needed.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/4-2.jpg

Next I needed to cut the tiles to the size I needed. This was indeed tricky because the back of the church is round not straight. A simple knife would not do here so I called in the heavy artillery. :cool:

I used a rotor tool with an abrasive disc for cutting. ;)

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/5-2.jpg

I marked the area needed and cut a little less than was necessary.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/6-2.jpg

Next using a sanding pad I brought the section into tolerance.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/7-2.jpg

Using a small brush I applied some Vinyl spackling to the joints in order to cover any unwanted gaps.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/8-2.jpg

Once this was done the floor section was slid into place.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/9-2.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/10-2.jpg

The altar will go on top of this raised floor, but I am getting ahead of myself. I still have to do the walls.

Thanks for following the thread.

Dave

Gopher

10-12-2007, 02:05 AM

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love it!!!!!!!

holmerz

10-12-2007, 02:51 AM

Fabulous work Dave :thumb:. I can't wait for the next update.

\Erik

Larry Bates

10-12-2007, 10:36 AM

David,

It's a thing of beauty man.

Larry

RickLawler

10-12-2007, 10:37 AM

Holy Brickwork! :eek::eek::D:D: Very nice Dave.

R

Nate

10-12-2007, 12:09 PM

simply amazing

Driver

10-12-2007, 12:36 PM

Nice work DD. It's nice to see that the project is finally going up to speed.

Ruben

Flak

10-12-2007, 10:23 PM

Awesome...Dave

jagdpanzer

10-13-2007, 06:53 AM

:eek: :eek:

speechless :thumb:

FAUST

10-13-2007, 07:31 AM

I really love the work that got into this project already. This really is coming together as a masterpiece. Great job.

With friendly greetz

Robert Blokker

MikkoH

10-13-2007, 05:21 PM

Looks Great so far!!

Mikko

James Tainton

10-13-2007, 05:25 PM

Nice faux stone!

tamigawa

10-14-2007, 12:54 PM

Amazing work David :thumb::thumb:

Ebbe Bergman

10-16-2007, 07:17 AM

Totaly insane!! Dave it is a fantastic work you have made with the Church this far!
Erik I love the Jagdpanzer you made! This will look like a smasher when it is done.
So...now I will not build either dioramas nor vignettes =O( Okay short, I quit =O)
Keep up the good work. It will be a blast!
/Ebbe

Sturmmann

11-04-2007, 06:11 PM

Thanks guys!

Wow, it's been forever since I have updated this. Work and life have a habit of keeping you away from your bench at times for way to long. :(

This weekend I started to get back on track with this project. So here is a little update on it.

I built the curved back wall. I added a couple of windows to break the otherwise featureless wall.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/1-3.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/2-3.jpg

The inside was given a coat of vinyl spackling to smooth it out and also hide the lines between the blocks.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/3-3.jpg

After some sanding and some TLC the interior was done. I added a few cracks and some areas where bricks would show through to add interest.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/4-3.jpg

Have a great week.

Dave

Panzergrenadier

11-04-2007, 06:13 PM

DUDE....that is insanely cool looking!:cool::thumb:

RickLawler

11-04-2007, 07:00 PM

Oh My, Golly-Gee-Wiz! Dave, you are really outdoing yourself with this one.

Fantastic!

Rick

holmerz

11-05-2007, 02:59 AM

Amazing work Dave :thumb:. Can't wait to see it done.

\Erik

Larry Bates

11-15-2007, 01:06 AM

Dave,

That's totally SICK!!!!!!!! Nice job.:thumb:

Laz

Sturmmann

11-15-2007, 06:42 PM

Thanks Larry! :thumb:

I will post some updates this weekend.

Dave

Sturmmann

11-19-2007, 06:14 PM

Hello Everyone.

Today was a Holliday around here. (The island’s discovery by Columbus) So I spend some part of the day doing some masonry work.

I started putting together the short wall. I used a spare block for the space that would be occupied by the window.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/1-4.jpg

Level by level I glued the blocks.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/2-4.jpg

It was time now to build the windows. Here are the window parts laid out.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/3-4.jpg

I made two of these. They will be placed back to back.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/4-4.jpg

The front frame of the window was placed and more block went on top.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/5-3.jpg

Finally the short wall was done.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/Terraformingrd/Team%20Build/6-3.jpg

See you next time!

Dave