Euromilitaire pictures

[Stuke Sowle]

There have already been some great photos posted, but I thought I would throw some more out there for everyone who couldn't be there. I have about thirty uploaded so far, and about 120 more.

I cannot say enough what a great time I had. The experience surpassed anything I could've imagined. The modeling to be seen was flat out unbelievable. This hobby has been taken to a level that I think most of us only dreamed of.

But most impressive of all was the comraderie that I found amongst the modelers present. Here right before my very eyes, well a bit behind the pint in my hand, where the greatest modelers in the world. Every one of them eager to answer my limitless questions. This was far more motivating to me then what I saw out on those tables.

And in no particular order, I'd just like to give a shout out to the following:

Paul, Luca, and Andrew. The three of you have been instrumental in my continuing with this hobby. And the looks on Andrew and Luca's face after realizing that they were shaking my hand was priceless. Lee, whom am I very glad I made up with as he is much larger than me. Darren and Kev, who along with Paul, Lee and I made for long and interesting Saturday night/Sunday morning. Fabio, dude your enthusiasm for scratchbuilding is so refreshing. The Candadian contigent of Jim, Tom, Steven and Gary. Wonderful models, and I hope Gary has managed to keep his around him.

Others include, Paul, Alasdair, Francesco, Roddy, Chris, Rhodes (thanks for the tips on the Thai)Hell, the list could go on for a bit. If I missed you I apologize.

Anyway a link to the photos:

The pictures (http://stuartsowle9954.fotopic.net/c292940.html)

Hope you all enjoy.

[James Tainton]

Thanks for the pics. Not too bad looking either! I can't abide the one's people take with a flash- ruins the whole look of the paint jobs. One technical problem was that sometimes(almost every second one)when I would hit the next button nothing would load.
For my part I have to say that while some of the tanks paint jobs are quite nice there seems to be this disturbing trend to use faciful light tones of yellows and the greens. They seem to be way off some paint chip reference I have.- artistic liscense I suppose but my feeling is not an accurate portayal.
This one's not too bad- but the green is way too light
http://members.shaw.ca/panzerfaust/18.jpg
green is too light
http://members.shaw.ca/panzerfaust/40.jpg
this one seems way off too me.
http://members.shaw.ca/panzerfaust/9.jpg

[Guest]

I will be the first to admit that my photo taking skills are lacking. I have yet to master my camera, and it was a challenge just to get steady shots while being jostled by a crowd of oooohing and ahhhhing onlookers. :)

I went to the flash as I found that if I didn't the apeture would be open for too long for me to hold still and the picture would become blurry. I will agree that it gives the models a "washed out" look.

With some tweaking using Photoshop (and what I can remember with my minds eye) I can get the models to look closer to their "true" color, but it takes time and I wanted to get some shots out for those of you who couldn't be there.

Honestly, there just isn't the time nor set up for us amatuer photographers at this event. In addition, I tried not to get too caught up in the picture so that I really just missed "looking" at the models.

As always with our hobby there is some debate...colors, markings, orangutans in Berlin, etc. I try to leave that to others, as I just enjoyed the pure talent that was gleaming on these show tables. Never in my life could I have imagined that we could make plastic model kits look like this. Our hobby is moving forward now ten times faster then ever before. They talk about evolution taking place in rapid bursts of change. I think we are seeing that now. Where will it all take us next?

So, I wouldn't get too hung up on the greens...it's probably my lousy photography. :)

[James Tainton]

No If that is you SS I think these look really good. I usually take my pictures in aperature priority mode with a tripod and with the smallest aperature(confusingly, the highest number) and also use the auto time release to avoid camera shake. I don't think the errors in cammo colour hues is related to your picture taking skills. I antisipated this retort but the trend is visible in other media such as modelling mags and other tank model sites. Thomas Jentz a leading researcher seems to agree with me,(according to this post I just saw)last paragraph about AMPS.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/message?for...geid=1095869494 (http://www.network54.com/Forum/message?forumid=47211&messageid=1095869494)

[James Tainton]

Here are some scans from a great book on Wehrmachct Heer camouflauge colors by T. Chory. These chips are based on actual paint samples and even allowing for differences in scanned data displayed on un calibrated screens one can see the fiction of these cammo colors in vouge of late. I understand the scale effect argument as well but these examples (and I could point to countless others) are over the top. IMHO ;)
http://members.shaw.ca/panzerfaust/dunkel-gelb.jpg

do these colours^ look like these V ???:(
http://missing-lynx.com/gallery/german/mbpanth/P1.jpg
it seems to have started back awhile ago with
http://missing-lynx.com/gallery/german/pan...usf_g_bayer.htm (http://missing-lynx.com/gallery/german/panther_ausf_g_bayer/panther_ausf_g_bayer.htm)
Mirko Bayerl (whom I have no axe to grind with- I love his work, but the trend he started seems to me to be getting pretty out there)

[James Tainton]

like here is a recent addition at WW2 Modelmaker (and again please do not take this as a personal attack on the modeller-it is just an example)
http://www.network54.com/Forum/thread?foru...geid=1095811943 (http://www.network54.com/Forum/thread?forumid=212524&messageid=1095811943)
the green and yellow are way off... am I the only one that sees this? :(
http://images.andale.com/f2/108/108/16868254/1097868617030_command_6.jpg

[Stuke Sowle]

Yeah, that was me. Forgot to sign in once again!!

First off, I have added photos 41-70 for everyone's viewing pleasure. Still have about a hundred more to go.

I agree with you James in that I do believe that the colors that we are seeing have definitely gone to an extreme. I think that modelers have turned towards artistic license to make their models more "pleasing" to the eye. It seems to me the lighter the tones, the easier it is to make little details stand out.

There is no doubt that the models that you have shown are a bit on the light side. Amazing the talent in them nonetheless. I think the hardest part is to find the happy medium between our artistic side and our historically accurate side.

But I find it hard to criticise given that I can't even finish one of these things!! :)

Good discussion. I can't wait to see what I hear when I start posting the zebras and giraffes. :)

[Sticky]

This is very interesting. When I painted the Panzerfahre I used Vallejo German armor yellow - and it looks just the chip above! Funny to me it looked to dark and to green - but I was baseing this on finished models, as I had not really good color pics to compare to. It seems Vallejo is correct and my tainted eye not! Live and learn. With that said, i think it is fair to lighten the color to a certain degree for scale, as well as dust, and paint fade - but not nearly as much as become the trend!

Good Topic!

[James Tainton]

It must be pointed out that there are four Dunkelgelbs. The Vallejo colour does appear to be a close match to the Dunklegelb nach Muster but this is not the Ral number 7028 but a minor subhue. I don't believe it was widely used. The other tones of Ral 7028 are browner in tint, the main Dunkelgelb being more closer to the dark brown header above on this page where the site planetArmor is written. (if a bit lighter) - I use xtracolor X809 for my dunkelgelb.(its labeled RAL 7027 but it is a closer match to 7028)

[Tuna]

I agree with James, Stuke!.. those pictures are great!!!..

Easier to be careful at home... Some shows it's tough, when there's lousy lighting. .you have to use the flash.. but that hall looked like it had great lighting


on the color's are the modelers trying to portray color's faded severely from exposure to sunlight????

Thanks again for sharing the pics...

lol I took some at Patcon (small New England Show) and they came out horrible.. 'pale in comparison'

Patcon Pics (http://www.nordlandamps.com/murphy/patcon04_0/gallery.htm)

[Stuke Sowle]

Me again, just added photos 100-130 for your viewing pleasure. So get out the bibs and enjoy!! :)

Your pics look good to me Charlie!!! and lots of them.

[James Tainton]

Sorry SS I may have derailed this thread :lol:
here are some colour chips.
http://members.shaw.ca/achtungpanzer/Dunkelgelb4.jpg
the main Dunkelgelb (7028) is the last one.

[Stuke Sowle]

No problem Panzerfaust, the debate is healthy for our hobby and these pics show what is at the head of our current trends.

I just added the final 50 pics that I have, 130-180. Wish I had to more to share, but I just ran out of time while at the show. I could've spent the better part of a week looking at it all.