Tamiya Dark Yellow and Scale effect

[FireflyRK]

This is my first real post here, so bear with me.

I recently finished a Skybow Tiger in 1/48 and used Tamiya's dark yellow as the base coat. This also happened to be the first German tank that I built since perhaps 1990, so the dark yellow was new to me.

In any case, the color went on with a slightly unpleasant green hue, and after I added a wash, and some dark green camo the green became even more pronounced. I'm wondering if this is accurate or if I need to lighten the paint. If I do need to lighten it, what should I use; yellow, white, buff, something else? In a word, what I've got, even though it looks cool to my eyes, looks nothing like the nice sandy yellow color that I see on photos of German afvs in books, magazines and the web

[Panzergrenadier]

Hi,

Can't help you with that one, as I am also wondering how to make Model Master dark yellow more yellowish.


Siim

[Finnmodeler]

Hi,
the original Tamiya DG is too green. They changed it a bit later so newer one is much better starting point.
Siim, just add some yellow or flesh to it?

Niko

[Andrew Hall]

Ralph,

I don't do 1/48 so I'm unfamiliar with the Skybow kit but is the plastic green and did you prime the kit before painting it?

Anyway, assuming you did prime your kit I think the answer to your Q is yes you will need to lighten all your base colours and you'll need to lighten them slightly more than if you were building a Tiger in 1/35. As you know, it's called scale effect and I'm sure you might know some of the details but in case not

http://ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/stuff...scaleeffect.htm (http://ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/stuff_eng_colorcharts_scaleeffect.htm)

http://www.j-aircraft.com/faq/scale_effect_of_paint.htm

My favourite to lighten colours is a RAF WW2 colour Sky Type S (Tamiya XF21). Incidentally, what some modellers do is further lighten any base coats applied to horizontal surfaces.

It's always good to lighten your base coats anyway as washes will darken it.

HTH

Andrew

[Uruk-Hai]

Hi!

I feel that I must protest about the link about Scale effect on the IPMS-Stockholm homepage.

Yes Scale-effect is real and exist but the solution is NOT to add a certain amount of white determinded on scale to the paint.

For example, you dont lighten green with white, you lighten it with yellow or/and white. This also depends on the hue of the base colour.

When it comes to Dark Yellow I would lighten it with white or/and flesh.

Cheers

[Panzergrenadier]

Originally posted by Finnmodeler@Jul 14 2006, 01:06 PM
Siim, just add some yellow or flesh to it?

Niko
I tried it but it made the suposedly ''dark yellow'' more like a yellowish olive drab.


And about the scale effect, this might help:
http://www.militaar.net/viewtopic.php?t=4075

The darkest colour is new, the lighter color is little worn and the lightest color is very worn. The percentage shows how much lightener to add.
Siim

[Andrew Hall]

feel that I must protest about the link about Scale effect on the IPMS-Stockholm homepage. Janne, are you protesting at me for adding the link or them using white? As mentioned I use Sky.

Andrew

[Uruk-Hai]

The sole use of white to lighten all colours, Andrew, :)
Ive seen many others claim to use Buff as well.

Actually, as I see the reference quite often on the net, Ive brought the subject up on the IPMS-Forum to edit this part of the chart.

However, july is the one and only vacation month here in Sweden so not much have happend yet.

[FireflyRK]

Ok I'll lighten it up some with buff, but I also wonder if the slight greenish tint was present in real dunkelgelb used during the war, or if its a goof on the part of tamiya?

[Larry Bates]

Ralph,

I think there is some debate on the greenish tint to some of the dunkelgelb paints on the market. But, I have never seen anything to support this, and it does make your tank look a little sickly, I know, cause I did a Tiger in Model Master dunklegelb and it does have that green sickly shade to it. The way to change the hue of the paint would be to add the complement of green which is red. So, flesh color should work ok to take out the green. Experiment first, and see what looks good to your eye. Hope that helps.

Larry