Panther Pics!

[Evan August]

Hey guys, thought I'd try to get something started here. I've got a ton of Panther pics and thought I'd share some. Anyone else with cool pics feel free to share! Here's three to start out with-

Looks like an Ausf G. The SPW is a 251/9.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/eaugust/_c__knocked_out_panther_french_vill.jpg

Another Ausf G, in that cool camo scheme

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/eaugust/pzkpfw_v_08.jpg

One of an Ausf D-

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/eaugust/panther_d_1.jpg

[Evan August]

Three more-

Ausf G-

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/eaugust/p.jpg

Can't tell what Ausf. this is, but a neat pic-

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/eaugust/039_panther.jpg

Late Ausf A on a cold day-

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/eaugust/0100_panther.jpg

[Larry Bates]

Nice Evan,

I was going to post that 1st color one of the G. Cool pic.

I grabbed this one off the net, an early G

[Larry Bates]

and this one in France also grabbed off the net, a late A.

[brokeneagle]

I love those color pics!

Try these b +w's out for size..................
A battered Hottie A being recovered in the rain and mud of Russia, Uman region March 1944. [My absolute favourite - I will do this one someday]
Tankpower Panther vol 5
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/photos/p51.jpg

Early D at kursk. Bare and bruised.
Tankpower Panther vol 5
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/photos/p6.jpg

Off to be repaired - 2 shots
Tankpower Panther Vol ' can't remember'
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/photos/p5.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/photos/p3.jpg

Target pactice earlyG
Sturm & Drang 5
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/photos/p4.jpg

[landm]

One of my favorite subjects, I love Panthers!
Can't tell what Ausf. this is, but a neat pic-
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/eaugust/039_panther.jpg
I would guess this is a "G" because of the location of the bosche headlight.

I grabbed this one off the net, an early G
http://www.planetarmor.com/forums/uploads/post-4-1136613168.jpg
I don't know Larry, I would say this one is a late G, no zimmerit and raised crew compartment heater.

Here is one of my favorites, it's a pretty well known pic, "6 dot". I've always liked the look of the Panthers with the gun cleaning rod holder relocated to the rear deck, it reminds me of a spoiler on a sports car. Some day I hope to build this one
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a146/landm79/I24Panther6dot.jpg

Cheers,
Mike

[Ebbe Bergman]

Okay its time for bombarding some panther pictures.

First off is the Barkmann panther I think
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/bergman1980/barkmannpantherd.jpg

This is a Panther from the Lehr called Elna. Sister to Ursula.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/bergman1980/elna.jpg

Next is a Panther A. I dont know weather its from the eastern front or the western.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/bergman1980/pantherAfolage.jpg

Cheers!
Ebbe

[Evan August]

Some great pics here guys! Here's a few more of some kitties that have seen better days-

Late Ausf A-

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/eaugust/1979_12_48.jpg

Looks like an A- what could have done this? Aerial bombing?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/eaugust/panther_1.jpg

Maybe a late A. Check out the burned/peeled zim.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/eaugust/1362_04_187.jpg

[sam_dwyer]

Gday Mike, Gday guys!

Dot 6 is about my all time favourite Normandy Panther, up there with Ursula and her sisters. I love the look of the tanker walking towards the cameraman, he looks like he's sick of being stalked by 44 era paparazzi!

I built DOt 6 years ago, unfortunately, I dont have any pics. I scratched an interior too. Its on my list of Panthers I'll Build.
Another shot of Dot 6
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/samd1/116PzPantherSeptember1944.jpg

SAM

[Larry Bates]

Originally posted by landm@Jan 7 2006, 05:29 PM

I don't know Larry, I would say this one is a late G, no zimmerit and raised crew compartment heater.

Cheers,
Mike
Hi Mike,

Well, ok but it's an early/late ;) no flammvernichters, or loops, etc.....

I got a whole slew of panther pics from normandy, from a thread by I believe Barry(BAZ) Cooke,I'm not sure I got his last name right. Off ML a couple years ago. Not sure I should post that many. ;)

Larry

[Larry Bates]

Nice pics Evan, Ebbe, Sam, Mike, Ian.

Larry

[JungleJim]

Hey Sam,
With a haircut like that one guy in your photo, no wonder the Paparazzi are after them! :lol: Or is that some kind of joke hat?
Happy Birthday BTW, 33! What a Pup!

Cheers,
Jim

[sam_dwyer]

Welcome aboard # 758. You shall be only referred to as Number 758 until such time as you post some of your fantastic work here! ;)

Seriously, great to have another great modeller sign up, cant wait to see some of your work here!

Sam

[brokeneagle]

here's one from Sturm and Drang 5[had it in my other post].
M.A.N. Panther - super late
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/photos/p1.jpg

These others are from Panzerwrecks.
Raised fan but early mantlet.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/photos/winterp.jpg

Heaps of track on the turret!
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/photos/panth3.jpg

Roof armour
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/photos/pwpanther2.jpg

[Ebbe Bergman]

Here is more Panther tanks.
This one is a Befehlspanther ausf G.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/bergman1980/beflspanther2.jpg

This one is a Panther from the Lehr division. Shot up at Lingevres.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/bergman1980/NormPanthLehrLingevres2251.jpg

This one is a Panther from LSSAH during Normandie I think. It´s a Befehlspanther A. LSSAH was one of the few that hung tracks on the turret on there Panthers during Normandie anyway.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/bergman1980/lahbefpanther_nearsoumont_st-quenti.jpg

Cheers!
Ebbe

[Larry Bates]

Originally posted by brokeneagle@Jan 8 2006, 08:43 AM
here's one from Sturm and Drang 5[had it in my other post].
M.A.N. Panther - super late
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/photos/p1.jpg

Roof armour
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/photos/pwpanther2.jpg
Oh yeah.......I likes the late stuff. Is it a two tone camo? on your first?

and that one in the the hedges is sweet, but this one with the roof armour well, that's a hottie! :)

Larry

[JungleJim]

Originally posted by sam_dwyer@Jan 8 2006, 01:28 AM
Welcome aboard # 758. You shall be only referred to as Number 758 until such time as you post some of your fantastic work here! ;)

Sam
So that's the initiation, eh? None of this:
SAM: And now, the final ordeal: the Paddling of the Swollen
Ass...With Paddles...

JIM: And by the sacred parchment, I swear that if I reveal the
secrets of the PlanetArmorers, may my stomach become bloated
and my head be plucked of all but three hairs --
STUKE: Um, I think he should have to take a different oath.
SAM: Everyone takes the same oath. Welcome to the club, Number
758. You have joined the Sacred Order of the PlanetArmorers
who, since ancient times, have split the rocks of ignorance
that obscure the light of knowledge and truth. Now let's
all get drunk and play ping pong!
EVERYONE: Yay!
STUKE: 'Cause he's already kind of heavy, you know, and --

Yah, OT, but fun :lol:

Jim

[Larry Bates]

Ok, I've been looking for another pic on this one. I know I've seenone posssibly in one of the Concord titles but can't remember which. I believe it's in Italy, possibly Anzio?

Can anyone shed some light on this one?

Thanks.

Photo credit to Squadron Signal.

Larry

[Larry Bates]

Oh,

By the way I'd like to welcome #758 to the Planet. ;)

[sam_dwyer]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAH Ji...#758!!! Good pick up on my obscure and possibly misquoted Simpsons reference.

Now, where's my ping pong paddle?

S

[brokeneagle]

Originally posted by Larry Bates@Jan 8 2006, 12:46 PM
Oh yeah.......I likes the late stuff. Is it a two tone camo? on your first?

and that one in the the hedges is sweet, but this one with the roof armour well, that's a hottie! :)

Larry

:) Welcome to the Collective #758, resistance is futile! :lol:

Larry,
The cammo looks to be two tone, most probably green and yellow? The lighting has flushed the contrast out so there could be a third color and we just can't tell!
If it was only 2 I would probably go with Green[RAL 603] and dark yellow, as these Panthers were supposed to be base coated in green after the order 20 Dec 1944.

Panzerwrecks has the whole first section [11 pages] dedicated to these kind of mod'd Panthers -1./Pz.Rgt.26 Italy April 1945.

[Larry Bates]

Hey Ian,

You know, I see a light spot on the turret slightly rear of middle and just below the top edge. Very cool.

[Sheeds]

Here's some more angles on the MAN Panther G........of course, they're from eBay! ;)

Hilly, this Panther is probably a three colour job. Its just that the brown and green blend in together. (note the number "41" on the glacis).

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Sheeds/1051054608.jpg

Willy.

[brokeneagle]

:) well there's our questions answered Larry.
Thanks Willy........'o God of all that is B&W and WW2 German! :lol:

Q. which is the darker color the green or the brown?

[avukich]

Jim (i.e. #758),

This is a bit off-topic, but could you post some of the great pictures of your ML Expo winning AAV7A1 dio here. I'm pretty sure that there are a number of folks on this site who don't visit ML and would be very impressed with that beauty (especially the shots before painting showing all of the scratch-building you did). Good to see you here, BTW.

Take care,
Adam

[Larry Bates]

Will,

How do you do it?

[landm]

Ok, I've been looking for another pic on this one. I know I've seenone posssibly in one of the Concord titles but can't remember which. I believe it's in Italy, possibly Anzio?

Can anyone shed some light on this one?
http://www.planetarmor.com/forums/uploads/post-4-1136750850.jpg

Yeah Larry, it's in Italy, I've seen this pic and I think at least one more of this Panther somewhere. This will bug me till I can find the pic now :) . The tank in the background is an abandoned Elefant.

Mike

[Larry Bates]

Mike,

Hi, yeah I know there's another shot somewhere, I just can't find it. If you do PLEASE let me know, as I really want to do this one. I think I saw it in a Concord title.
Thanks. ;)
Larry

[mnickolson]

Larry,

I will look through my Concord books when I get home tonight. I don't have a lot but I do have the Panther one from Concord.

Mike

[Larry Bates]

Thanks Mike :thumb:

[Sticky]

This pic maybe from the history of the 653rd.

[Evan August]

Originally posted by brokeneagle@Jan 8 2006, 08:43 AM

These others are from Panzerwrecks.
Raised fan but early mantlet.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/photos/winterp.jpg


Ian, I love that pic. I'll have to model this one some day. Larry, I thought I had another pic of that Ausf D, but it was a crappy version of the same pic. I'll check if I have anymore of that one. Everyone, some nice pics posted here! Want some more?

First, what looks like an Ausf G to me. Would make a cool model.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/eaugust/Panther741B.jpg

Another G, possibly Panzer Lehr?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/eaugust/PzLehrPanther_11FernegierscheidCopy.jpg

Another pic of an Ausf G in the cool camo scheme-Any guesses as to what that is on the rear deck?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/eaugust/pzkpfw_v_09.jpg

[mnickolson]

Originally posted by mnickolson@Jan 9 2006, 01:53 PM
Larry,

I will look through my Concord books when I get home tonight. I don't have a lot but I do have the Panther one from Concord.

Mike
Larry,

Sorry DooD I looked and nada. I only have like 10. I did find a II02 in one of my books and I though A's all had Zim but 2 I found seem not to.

Mike

[Larry Bates]

Originally posted by Evan August@Jan 9 2006, 05:13 PM
Ian, I love that pic. I'll have to model this one some day. Larry, I thought I had another pic of that Ausf D, but it was a crappy version of the same pic. I'll check if I have anymore of that one. Everyone, some nice pics posted here! Want some more?

First, what looks like an Ausf G to me. Would make a cool model.


Another pic of an Ausf G in the cool camo scheme-Any guesses as to what that is on the rear deck?

Thanks Evan, I know it will turn up sooner or later.

On the rear deck? looks like a board, or maybe the back of a bench or something .

741 is a great shot. Early G?

Thanks.

Larry

[Larry Bates]

Mike,

Thanks for looking maaaaaaan :lol:

The II02 is it in winter camo? with a dark barrell? on a bridge? Yeah I like that one.
Or, is it winter camo in a field with rough brush painted on the shurzen? And a profile in the book with yellow numbers?

I likes both of those.

Larry

[Larry Bates]

Originally posted by Sticky@Jan 9 2006, 03:23 PM
This pic maybe from the history of the 653rd.
John,

That would be a good start I believe. As there is another pic looking the opposite direction down the road with the elephant in the foreground.

Thanks. Anyone have the book?

Larry

[Sticky]

Uh Larry I have the book

[Larry Bates]

Uh Larry I have the book Um,
Ok...........if you have a moment, I uh, um, would appreciate it. ;)

Thanks John.

Larry

[Sheeds]

Hi Blokes.

Evan, Panther 741 belongs to 9th Panzer and is probably a DB produced vehicle (Andrew?). Note the verticle stripes of camo colour.

I earmarket this Cat to build, mainly becuase I liked the jack thrown on the back deck along witht he Jerry can and the "G" on the glasis...as well as the camo scheme. ;)

Front View taken from Concord's Panther book.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Sheeds/9PDPanther741Fbig.jpg

Willy.

[Larry Bates]

Here's one with some neat striped camo, DB or Man?

[Larry Bates]

I like this one....... :)

[Larry Bates]

One more....

[Andrew Hall]

Originally posted by Willy Naylor@Jan 10 2006, 10:09 AM
Evan, Panther 741 belongs to 9th Panzer and is probably a DB produced vehicle (Andrew?). Note the verticle stripes of camo colour.


Yep Willy, 741's a Daimler Benz Panther. Cross on the turret. Larry, your most recent two are top, Befehlspanther R02 and Panther 800 from SS.Pz.Rgt.5 and bottom one is (more than obviously) SS.Pz.Rgt.3. I see you posted another one while I was editing, the first one you did with the stripey Panthers, I'm not sure of the unit.

Monsieur Distain clearly impressing the ladies with his knowledge of Das Reich Panthers.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/Andrewausfa/DRPantherTrouDuLoup2a.jpg

The Boyz from I./Pz.Rgt.1 Wrecking Cru set up an anti-aircraft Panther

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/Andrewausfa/Dscf0071.jpg

Andrew

[Ebbe Bergman]

Hey Larry was the last shot of the Panther a Totenkopf Panther?!!
Cheers!
Ebbe

[Sticky]

The pic indeed was from the JJ Fedowitcz book on the 653rd. Here are the pics for educational purposes only, they are all copyrighted.

http://photos.kitmaker.net/data/15811/panther1.jpg
http://photos.kitmaker.net/data/15811/panther2.jpg
http://photos.kitmaker.net/data/15811/Panther3.jpg
http://photos.kitmaker.net/data/15811/Panther4.jpg
http://photos.kitmaker.net/data/15811/Panther5.jpg
http://photos.kitmaker.net/data/15811/Panther6.jpg
http://photos.kitmaker.net/data/15811/Panther7.jpg

[Larry Bates]

Originally posted by Ebbe Bergman@Jan 10 2006, 05:32 PM
Hey Larry was the last shot of the Panther a Totenkopf Panther?!!
Cheers!
Ebbe
Yes, apparantly, SS Pzr rgt 3.

[Larry Bates]

Originally posted by Andrew Hall@Jan 10 2006, 04:44 PM
Yep Willy, 741's a Daimler Benz Panther. Cross on the turret. Larry, your most recent two are top, Befehlspanther R02 and Panther 800 from SS.Pz.Rgt.5 and bottom one is (more than obviously) SS.Pz.Rgt.3. I see you posted another one while I was editing, the first one you did with the stripey Panthers, I'm not sure of the unit.

Andrew
Thanks Andrew,

Yes the last is quite obvious, so much that I had to put it up jus tto verify it. :lol:
I find it of interest because of this, but also the triangle on the rear hatch, was this a marking of Totenkopf div.?

I like the stripey. :)

Larry

[Larry Bates]

Originally posted by Sticky@Jan 10 2006, 06:09 PM
The pic indeed was from the JJ Fedowitcz book on the 653rd. Here are the pics for educational purposes only, they are all copyrighted.


John,

Wow, thanks for taking the time to find and post all those photos. Awesome. Not to be too obsessive, but I still think there's another one out there somewhere of the side.

Thanks everyone for your info! :) :thumb:

Larry

[Larry Bates]

Originally posted by Andrew Hall@Jan 10 2006, 04:44 PM
Monsieur Distain clearly impressing the ladies with his knowledge of Das Reich Panthers.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/Andrewausfa/DRPantherTrouDuLoup2a.jpg




Andrew
Andrew,

Is this possibly an MNH built Panther?


Larry

[Sheeds]

Thanks Andrew.

Larry, I have a front on view of the cannibalised Panther G showing its chassis number. From memory its a MAN Panther (Paint scheme and cross on very front of vehicle), I'll check & confirm either way when I get home.

Willy.

[Larry Bates]

Willie,

Thanks I got that one also, I think Manus Galleger posted it on ML a while back. Theres a cross on front?

This one?


Larry

[landm]

Here are a couple more,an early G, #411 of 1/24 in Normandy. I believe these were posted by Baz Crook on ML a while back, I think they originally may be from the James Crow collection.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a146/landm79/I24Panther411LHRML.jpg
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a146/landm79/I24Panther411RHSML.jpg

Mike

[Sheeds]

Very close Larry.

This is the one I meant, I've pointed out the cross at the front (of the LH side ;) ). I'm pretty sure, but not certain, its an MAN vehicle. To me the Fgst.Nr starts "121XXX" which would indicate MAN. If were anything else it would need to start with 124 to 129.....and the third digit looks like a 1 to me.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Sheeds/2SS-Panther-G.jpg

Willy.

[Larry Bates]

Ah yes very good Cluso ;)

121xxx = MAN, (duh) so much for my mystery solving. :lol:

Thanks Willy.

Larry

[Stuke Sowle]

Wow....I leave the site for a day or two and come back to this very very nice thread with wonderful pictures of kitties!!!

Enough to make one drool!

[Andrew Hall]

Originally posted by Larry Bates@Jan 11 2006, 12:39 AM
Thanks Andrew,

I find it of interest because of this, but also the triangle on the rear hatch, was this a marking of Totenkopf div.?

Larry
Hi Larry,

Yes it was. Now whether it was a marking just for a period of time (e.g. Poland '44) or as a means of ID'ing command vehicles I'm not sure, it's something I need to look into further. They also used a square marking.

I'm not sure where these shots should be credited to but I'm assuming they might come from Karl Ullrichs "Wie ein Fels im Meer - bildband". This is a photo history of Totenkopf.....wot I ain't got.


http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/Andrewausfa/PantherAof3SSPD.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/Andrewausfa/3ss_befpzfff.jpg

Incidentally, Pz.Rgt.3 (e.g your reply to Ebbe) are unconnected with SS.Pz.Rgt.3.

A good site for a basic grounding in panzer regiments and their attachments to divisions (without buying Jentz's two Panzertruppen volumes) is Lexicon Der Wehrmacht. This site is based on the work of a guy called Georg Tessin who wrote about all the German units - infantry, panzer, artillery etc both Heer and W-SS over several volumes called Verbände und Truppen der deutschen Wehrmacht und Waffen-SS im Zweiten Weltkrieg 1939 – 1945. A complete set of these books will set you back a serious amount of cash e.g circa 17 volumes at $65 a pop.

Here's the URL, it's in German but easy enough to pick your way around, just hit the link headed "Truppenteile / Einheiten / Gliederungen", then hit the next link saying "schnelle Truppen" and then choose which panzer regiment/division/abteilung you want to research. Have fun!

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/inhaltsverzeichnis1.htm



Andrew

[Larry Bates]

Oops,

Sorry Ebbe. Thanks Andrew, that should keep me out of trouble for a while. ;)

17 volumes huh? too many for me LOL. Oh and thanks for correcting me. ;)


Wow, great site Andrew. (Wish I could read German.)

[Larry Bates]

Originally posted by landm@Jan 10 2006, 10:51 PM
Here are a couple more,an early G, #411 of 1/24 in Normandy. I believe these were posted by Baz Crook on ML a while back, I think they originally may be from the James Crow collection.


Mike
Thanks for posting these Mike, I have not seen these before. Nice shots.

Larry :)

[Andrew Hall]

Originally posted by Larry Bates@Jan 11 2006, 11:21 PM
Wow, great site Andrew. (Wish I could read German.)
Larry you can! Just whizz the page through Babelfish

http://world.altavista.com/

[Sheeds]

Nice work Andrew.

Should we even start on the Balken cross with the red instead of white outline on your bottom pic? :thumb:

Willy.

[brokeneagle]

:) Heres one I like for the texture and the clear weathering on the side shields that you don't normly get in these old photo's. GD Panther 1944 from God, Honour, Fatherland.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/photos/gdpanther1944.jpg

[Larry Bates]

Ah yes,

I like this one, but I've thought of doing the later version with the 01 numbering, and camo.

Larry

[Larry Bates]

Originally posted by Larry Bates@Jan 7 2006, 12:52 AM

I grabbed this one off the net, an early G


"Nice work Andrew.
Should we even start on the Balken cross with the red instead of white outline on your bottom pic?
Willy. "

Like this one? ;)

[Stuke Sowle]

Hahaha...I knew enough talk about Panthers would bring Mr. Hall into the fray! Good to see your knowledge present on this thread Andrew.

[Sheeds]

lol!

Yeah, like that one. :thumb:

Willy.

[Andrew Hall]

It's all learnt from wiser men than me Stuke! I just find trying to nail down vehicles by their features such an interesting thing and there's so much to learn. And it beats spending time watching fly-on-the-wall docusoaps with the missus :)

That GD Panther is a nice example of the zimmerit pattern applied with a roller. Not sure if anyone's tried it yet but half hour with the AFV Club zimm roller and a tube of your favourite putty and you can see exactly why this was rolled.

I'll stick some pics up later possibly.

Andrew

[Larry Bates]

Originally posted by Willy Naylor@Jan 12 2006, 05:23 AM
lol!

Yeah, like that one. :thumb:

Willy.
;)

[Andrew Hall]

Gents, I've added a small example of rolled zimmerit to my VBench if you're interested. Nothing special.

Willy, yes red balkenkruez! Good spot. The rear view one Larry posted is Pz.Rgt.31 IIRC?? As you will no doubt recall but for anyone else who's interested there's a couple more Pz.IV in the Panzerwaffe Vol.1 or 2 books from this unit with the red cross.

Andrew

[Evan August]

In AFV Modeller 16 (the Panther special) there is a cool photo of a late Ausf G. Steel wheels, with a replacement rubber rimmed wheel, and raised fan. Turret number 225, repeated in smaller numbers on the mantlet. Can't tell if there's a chin mantlet or not, and the rear plate is obscured by brush, so I don't know what we have for exhausts. I'd guess no flame dampners, but what do you guys think? Anymore pics out there of this one? Would make a cool model, Dragon's Befelspanther G may be a good starting point.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/eaugust/tank01.jpg

pic from www.longneckonline.com

looks like another Ardennes Ausf G-

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/eaugust/1039033462.jpg

[Sheeds]

Hi Evan et al.

That's one of my all time favourite Panthers. It's number is "225", and that number is also repeated on the mantlet, however this is not a 1st SS vehicle. It has a raised heater, normal mantlet and standard G exhausts.

Here's my example from a while ago. I farked the paint job up though.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Sheeds/DSCN0613.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Sheeds/DSCN0623.jpg

Willy.

[Evan August]

Some nice work there Willy. If not a LAH vehicle, what unit does it belong to? Anymore pics?

[Larry Bates]

Ahhhhh a couple of my favorites also. I'd love to do 225. Also love the camo on 121.

Willy, nice job on the wheels, did you use Tamiya TII wheels?

Larry

[Sheeds]

Yes Larry, I scored a set from Sam after he'd lost interest in yet another project! ;)

I bought these photos in Belguim last year. Its an MNH (you can just see the cross half way down the hull side) Panther Ausf G KO'd in Stavelot........I "think" its 2nd SS, but I wont bet on it.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Sheeds/pangard.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Sheeds/pangard2.jpg

Interesting to note, that it appears the MNH Panthers have the Balken Kreuz on the left bin, while MAN seem to put it on the right side one.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Sheeds/pangard1.jpg

Willy.

[Larry Bates]

Hi Willie,

Ah, Belgium, mussels in Brussels. Hey thanks for putting these up. I wish 242 had this scheme on it. It almost seems to have it but then maybe paint added to it?but that doesn't make much sense that late in the war with there backs against the wall from two sides. Very nice shot s though. I don't think I've said anything before but I think 242 has a partial hidden cross on it mid hull. You can just see the bottom part of the cross in white. As far as the rear bin crosses, I was thinking if there was a rhyme or reason to them as I noticed them one side or the other.

Thanks Willie :thumb:
Larry

[Larry Bates]

I was thinking of possibly putting my TII in the scrap heap, but I opened it up and jsut have too much stuff for it and too much done on it. Maybe I'll post some pics Sunday,(I gotta work Saturday :( )

Larry

[Evan August]

OK, here's two more to add to this great collection of pics-

An Ausf D-

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/eaugust/panther2.jpg

And an Ausf G- flame dampners, chin mantlet, raised fan. can't make out the wheels though-

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/eaugust/p2.jpg

[Larry Bates]

Some one put this one up on ML axis DG a while ago.

[Larry Bates]

I don't think this one has been posted here yet , another e-bay pic

[Larry Bates]

another from e-bay? Very late G from DB with foliage loops, but still with AAMG ring.and striped camo. :)

OK, I've just realized the caption, or notation on this pic is TOTALLY Wrong! :lol:

[Larry Bates]

Originally posted by Evan August@Jan 19 2006, 09:28 PM
OK, here's two more to add to this great collection of pics-

An Ausf D-

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/eaugust/panther2.jpg


Nice one Evan, that looks like an early D as you can see the bump in the side of the turret for the cupola.

Actually, I just checked , and it's an experimental turret, not a production turret. ;)
Unless, of course it's just the camo and light angle.
Larry

[mnickolson]

I don't see this one...

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c32/mnickolson/Panther%20G/panther_g_02.jpg

[brokeneagle]

Great shots Mike, the 221 you posted of e bay is a rare steel wheel like the one above but I have never seen that shot before.
The other with the mantlet is a final MAN panther with a final station road wheel ;)

[Larry Bates]

Originally posted by brokeneagle@Jan 20 2006, 07:33 PM
Great shots Mike, the 221 you posted of e bay is a rare steel wheel like the one above but I have never seen that shot before.
The other with the mantlet is a final MAN panther with a final station road wheel ;)
Hey dude, it was me! :lol:

I've got two other shots if you want. I'll go hunt them up.

Larry

[brokeneagle]

Sorry Larry, I was still wrapped up in the photo and didn't look properly.......great shot though. :lol:

.....and sorry Evan, I was refering to your post on the MAN panther.
:( I'm loosing my mind AHHHHHHHHH!

[Larry Bates]

here's one....

[Larry Bates]

Originally posted by brokeneagle@Jan 20 2006, 07:38 PM
Sorry Larry, I was still wrapped up in the photo and didn't look properly.......great shot though. :lol:

.....and sorry Evan, I was refering to your post on the MAN panther.
:( I'm loosing my mind AHHHHHHHHH!
too much wacky wacky. :lol:

[Larry Bates]

Sans G.I.

[brokeneagle]

Thanks for the extra shots Larry.:thumb:
Is this one that was destoyed during theBulge and the photo has been taken 3 or 4 months later?
Actually there is a shot in battle of the Buldge , then and now . that shows a 221 'steel' knocked out in the snow in a street - could be this one. From a different angle though.

[Larry Bates]

Ian,

I'm not real sure. It seems someone asked that when this was posted on ML, an IIRC, which should totally be questioned, I don't believe it's the same one.

I think that the two shots were newly discovered.

Larry

[Evan August]

I'm confused. :lol: All I know is that I want to build a Panther now. Bad. ;)

[Larry Bates]

Alright Evan !

If this thread doesn't make you want to build one I don't know what would.

Go for it!

;) :thumb:

Larry

[Stéphane Lamouche]

Hi everyone,

Yeah, thanks a lot Larry for the great shots of SWS Panther 221. According to Darren Gawle's post on ML (link below), Panther #221 could possibly be the mount of Otto Denda (?), I/ Pz.Rgt.24. It was lost in Langerweh, Germany, November 1944. There's a front ¾view of this beast in Bill Auerbach's timeless Last of the Panzers (frame #116).

All the best,

Stephane

http://www.network54.com/Forum/47207/threa...nther+photofile (http://www.network54.com/Forum/47207/thread/1061660740/SW+Panther+photofile)

[/QUOTE] Posted on Yesterday at 7:50 pm
Thanks for the extra shots Larry.thumb.jpg
Is this one that was destoyed during theBulge and the photo has been taken 3 or 4 months later?
Actually there is a shot in battle of the Buldge , then and now . that shows a 221 'steel' knocked out in the snow in a street - could be this one. From a different angle though.

[Larry Bates]

Thanks for the link Stephane :)

[Sheeds]

Larry, Hilly, Fellas.

I posted this a while ago......but its probably got more relevance now. ;)

http://www.planetarmor.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1082

Willy

[Larry Bates]

Originally posted by Willy Naylor@Jan 21 2006, 08:48 PM
Larry, Hilly, Fellas.

I posted this a while ago......but its probably got more relevance now. ;)

http://www.planetarmor.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1082

Willy
Dude, check page 6. :lol:

[Evan August]

Originally posted by Larry Bates@Jan 21 2006, 12:27 AM
Alright Evan !

If this thread doesn't make you want to build one I don't know what would.

Go for it!

;) :thumb:

Larry
Actually Larry, I have that Ausf A I'm working on, but now I really want to do a G :lol:

[Sheeds]

Larry.....that's why I posted the link. In it I say that it IS the same 221 as you and Hilly were discussing. ;)

Willy.

[brokeneagle]

Originally posted by Larry Bates@Jan 21 2006, 12:27 AM
Alright Evan !

If this thread doesn't make you want to build one I don't know what would.

Go for it!

;) :thumb:

Larry
Well it has finally got me..............I want to do a steel wheeled version. Obviously a G but what kit is the best to use as a base. Tamiya or DML?

Oh and thanks for the extra info Willy ;)
Brokeneagle.

[sam_dwyer]

Yes.. steel wheelers are the answer.. Im in the middle of painting one now ( i know, another).. too bad my photobucket account is maxed out on bandwidth, otherwise i'd post it.. ill upgrade and post.

Sam...

oh yeah ill email you the pics in prog Hilly

[brokeneagle]

Thanks Sammy............but you didn't answer my question [he who humps the Tiger] which kit for a base? If anyone is going to know it will be you! :thumb:

[sam_dwyer]

Well there are those who say DML, and those who say Tamiya. Both need work, in different places. Tamiya plastic craps all over DML plastic from a great height, so i'd go with Tamiya. Also, you get the cupola episcopes in the Tamiya kit.

Sam

[Larry Bates]

Originally posted by Willy Naylor@Jan 22 2006, 01:58 AM
Larry.....that's why I posted the link. In it I say that it IS the same 221 as you and Hilly were discussing. ;)

Willy.
Okee Dokee!

I must be having a moment :lol: Thanks for the extra info. ;)

Larry

[Evan August]

The Panther madness continues, three more pics.

First, an Ausf A. Interesting to see the commander using a scissors periscope.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/eaugust/pzkpfw_v_a_03.jpg

Next, two shots of the Koln Panther (s?)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/eaugust/panther_cologne.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/eaugust/pantherattheend.jpg

There's just something about these pics, almost surreal. A KO'ed Panther admist all that Gothic architecture.

And to think those allied guys say all we do is slobber over Wittman and his Tigers!
:lol:

[sam_dwyer]

Did someone say Koln Panther.... one of my favorites

Interesting shot - the Cologne panther was a befehls panther.. note the plug for the co-ax MG
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/samd1/colp1.jpg

Reverse negative
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/samd1/colp5.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/samd1/colp2.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/samd1/colp3.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/samd1/colp6.jpg

[Pete666]

I'm glad I saw this thread now, it's shown me the first pic I've ever seen of a Panther G with steel wheels on the rear station only. Anyone know why they did that?

Pete

[Larry Bates]

Peter,

Actually, this one has just had the rubber burnt off. It doesn't have the steel wheel on the last station. The reason some were built that way is still a matter of debate.

Larry

[little ken]

Originally posted by sam_dwyer@Jan 26 2006, 03:09 AM
Did someone say Koln Panther.... one of my favorites

Reverse negative
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/samd1/colp5.jpg

If someone who knows wants to correct me, but is that a French tankers helmet that crewman is wearing in that shot?

Cheers

[Larry Bates]

Originally posted by little ken@Feb 13 2006, 01:20 AM
If someone who knows wants to correct me, but is that a French tankers helmet that crewman is wearing in that shot?

Cheers
hmmmmmmmm,

not quite sure, but I do know that the picture has been reversed, probably in some publication.

[Evan August]

Found another cool one- Ausf G, with flame dampeners.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/eaugust/pant_g_1.jpg

[mnickolson]

Originally posted by Larry Bates@Jan 20 2006, 06:20 PM
another from e-bay?* Very late G from DB with foliage loops, but still with AAMG ring.and striped camo. :)

OK, I've just realized the caption, or notation on this pic is TOTALLY Wrong! :lol:
http://www.planetarmor.com/forums/uploads/post-4-1137792021.jpg
I had seen were someone said something about Chez 1945 on ML but I am wondering which division this one might be from. I also noticed what looks to be deflectors on the exhaust. Hmm next project maybe??? ;)

[Sheeds]

It's a hottie this one Mike.

Daimler Benz Production, fitted out for IR. Of note is the Panther D fume extractor and the straight cut armour plate at the back end of the turret instead of the usual bevelled edge.

No idea on unit, but this cat shares similarities to these two from Thomas Jakl's "Czech Lands 1945" book if you'd like a clearer indication of the camo scheme. I think 209 is in Germany, as there is a shot of a similarly marked Panther which is in a field with a German road marker next to it.....though I have no idea on unit.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Sheeds/DB-IR-Panther-G-Czech-1945.jpg

Another DB example from the net.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Sheeds/DBPantherGlate.jpg

Willy

[Sheeds]

Hi Members.

Back on page 4 of this thread is an example of a Panther with a red Balken cross, here is a photo of a red one from a panzer IV's (I think?) turret shurtzen. Its from a Hungarian site showing battlefield wrecks, but I cant find the link. :(

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Sheeds/652.jpg

Willy.

[mnickolson]

Thanks a lot Bill.

[Larry Bates]

Originally posted by Willy Naylor@Mar 17 2006, 04:20 PM
Hi Members.

Back on page 4 of this thread is an example of a Panther with a red Balken cross, here is a photo of a red one from a panzer IV's (I think?) turret shurtzen. Its from a Hungarian site showing battlefield wrecks, but I cant find the link. :(

Willy. Daimler Benz Production, fitted out for IR. Of note is the Panther D fume extractor and the straight cut armour plate at the back end of the turret instead of the usual bevelled edge.

No idea on unit, but this cat shares similarities to these two from Thomas Jakl's "Czech Lands 1945" book if you'd like a clearer indication of the camo scheme. I think 209 is in Germany, as there is a shot of a similarly marked Panther which is in a field with a German road marker next to it.....though I have no idea on unit.


Willie,

That's wicked man.

[mnickolson]

Willy,

I did not even notice the fume extractor and the straight cut armour plate but I do now :) . But I still do not see your point about the IR.

[Larry Bates]

Mike,

On the side of the mantlet, see those two brackets with holes, one above the other?

Those were supposedly for an extra IR light(I believe) something like that. The parts are in the aber set, check the instructions. Although they are only on the right side of the mantlet. The aber ones are a bit thin, should probably make them out of evergreen.

HTH

Larry

[Sheeds]

G'day Fella's.

Larry is spot on Mike, you can also see the horse shoe on the turret roof infront of the cupola. For an example in model form, check out Larry's excellent Panther G....just follow the link. :thumb:

http://www.planetarmor.com/forums/index.ph...pic=1457&st=195 (http://www.planetarmor.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1457&st=195)

Willy.

[Andrew Hall]

Willy, did you find your Hungary link? ;) Didn't see your post until after I was looking at that site. Some interesting stuff on there.

Good luck at the show :)

Andrew

[mnickolson]

Originally posted by Larry Bates@Mar 18 2006, 03:13 AM
Mike,

On the side of the mantlet, see those two brackets with holes, one above the other?

Those were supposedly for an extra IR light(I believe) something like that. The parts are in the aber set, check the instructions. Although they are only on the right side of the mantlet. The aber ones are a bit thin, should probably make them out of evergreen.

HTH

Larry
Thanks Larry and Willy

Ah I was not sure what those were for. Hmm now I know. The people on PL are just a wealth of knowledge. ;) As always thanks.

Mike

[Sheeds]

Aren't you supposed to be in Italy with Mrs Hall? Oh, and dont forget to post any new "discoveries" of any local talant you find over there. ;)

Mike, the brackets on the side of the matlet were to hold the IR reciever. If you go through the "Fehrmann" thread earlier on here, you can see one mounted on the side of the Panther with the "8" painted on the glacis.


Willy.

[mnickolson]

Ok Willy and Larry or any other Panther savvy person. I got to thinking so now I have a question after looking around for knowledge. Would it have the IR storage box on the rear? I have looked at a few that seem to have the mounts on the side. The reason is that what I found is that just because it has the mounts dose not means it has the IR box on the rear. Any input would be of great help.

Thanks,
Mike

[Larry Bates]

Mike,

Well, what you say is true. Not all IR prepared panthers had the box on the rear. Some had the regular boxes, and some had none. If there were no boxes, I think that the mounts for the IR boxes were still there, which were four mounts instead of the usual two. I can check. It really depends on the production date. As this was a very late, last month of the war vehicle, It very well may have had the box. I think Willie or Andrew has more info on this. As you can't really see it in that pic, I'd say it's up to you. Kind of vague I know.

Larry

[Sheeds]

Hey Guys.

Mike, in this instance I'll bet it would have had the IR box on the right rear. This Panther doesn't show it, but that other pic I alluded to shows the four mounts on the rear where the box would have gone. Sadly, I don't seem to have it on my HD anymore.

Willy.

[mnickolson]

Thanks a lot guys.

[Andrew Hall]

Originally posted by Willy Naylor@Mar 18 2006, 09:07 PM
Aren't you supposed to be in Italy with Mrs Hall? Nope, that's next weekend. Rome here I come :)

the brackets on the side of the matlet were to hold the IR reciever

I thought they were to hold an extra 200W lamp, same sort as on the cupola? I can think of three instances of this later light base fitting in published shots. 1) The famous early Ausf.G IR Panther shot 2) KG Schulzes '8' 3) A shot originally (?) published in Ritgens Memoirs of a Pz.Lehr officer and later repro'd badly in one of Trojcas Panther books. I guess after troop trials with the IR equipment this mantlet lamp must have received a battering from vegetation etc so they removed it. Who knows what the definitive answer is.

The brackets themselves are welded on, the uppermost one has three holes in.

That Panther '209' is a real mystery regarding unit. From memory the eBay seller was mentioning a connection with an English soldier or something English anyway? This gives us a search criteria of a) is '209' really on the West Front b) it's a really late DB panther - Mar/Apr? - so that gives us circa 61 Panthers. c) who got issued Panthers in April/May in their I./Abt.

Tough one.

Andrew

[Sheeds]

Next weekend...okay, but remember the shots of the talant....ala Sam's model show thread. ;)

Regarding the shot of number "8", are you saying its the mount for the lamp you can see? I had always thought it to be an IR reciever. I'll ring Jon B tonight and ask the question...if he doesnt know no one will.

Willy.

[Andrew Hall]

Oh I'm well prepared for talent spotting - mirror shades, hidden cameras etc etc

Regarding the shot of number "8", are you saying its the mount for the lamp you can see?

Exactement! An extra lamp. The commander needs to look through the receiver tube to acquire the target.

Give my regards to Jon if you speak to him :)

A

[Larry Bates]

Originally posted by Andrew Hall@Mar 19 2006, 04:01 PM
Nope, that's next weekend. Rome here I come :)


Andrew
Hey Andrew,

Going to Roma eh? I went with the little woman 2 years ago. Can't wait to go back.
I remember quite a lot of talent. ;)
Larry

[Sheeds]

Hello Fella's.

Further research reveals I was wrong. As Andrew points out, it is the mount for the 20 cm search light on the mantlet side. I was confusing the terminology, an IR receiver (Commanders sight) vs. the IR transmitter (search light).

The theory is that the Germans would use the cupola mounted one for tank killing with the diffuser removed to give a pointed beam, while the one on the side of the mantlet would have the diffuser in place for driving....kind of like turning your Maglight from spot to flood. The other (possible) reason to mount the IR transmitter on the mantlet, was to reduce the glare that the commanders sight may pick up from the light.

What is interesting is that the mount is the same as the Bosch headlight mount....so the one DML kindly provide showing the four little contact points would work well. It also gives us a sure fire way of getting the spacing between the two welded on brackets correct.

Sorry for the earlier misinformation,
Willy. :(

[mnickolson]

Willy

Cool thanks for tracking down the info.

Mike

[Larry Bates]

Ok, I'm just going to comment so this thread gets bumped back up to the front where some of the new fellas can see it. :thumb:

Larry

[djohannsen]

Ok, I'm just going to comment so this thread gets bumped back up to the front where some of the new fellas can see it. :thumb:

Larry

Thank you Larry! I am building the Tamiya Panther G late and am planning to paint it in the striped scheme. There were several great shots here that are very helpful (e.g., I now know that these still had the AA ring on the commander's coupula, and I am now sure that the striping doesn't run over the top on the horizontal surfaces). Thanks to everyone who posted shots in this thread.


Dave

[Flak]

Why I miss this...:confused: Thanks guys...many great pictures here!!!

[india11]

Panthers!...Just the coolest tank,and in all my years of modelling...the one German tank Ive never built....go figure.

Outstanding pics!
RB.

[lquah]

One of the best threads on PA! Anyone want to start one on Tigers, Pz IVs, Pz IIIs

Lawrence

[Evan August]

Hey guys,
I'll have to dig through my files and see if I have any more to post.

[Andrew Hall]

Good idea, let's re-invigorate this thread. Just a thought but as well as just posting pics why not keep the discussions going by adding a little about them whether it's technical, unit info, questions we may have or just simply why we like them??

Andrew

[Andrew Hall]

One from me. This is Panther '131' from Pz.Rgt.1 of 1PD. One feature of some of Pz.Rgt.1 Panthers at this period is the rack for the ice sprags (cleats) on the glacis.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/Andrewausfa/Panther131Of1PDOnSide.jpg

Pic is in Riebenstahls 'Der Legendare Panther'. Andrew

[Larry Bates]

Andrew,

You certainly have the unique research. I think keeping this going is a great idea, especially if info is added. Only problem is only a few people know that much, so, maybe you only get to post if you know something about the photo? IDK, just an idea.

One of my biggest enjoyments is the disscussion of photos. :)

Thanks Andrew.

Larry

[James Tainton]

One of the best threads on PA! Anyone want to start one on Tigers, Pz IVs, Pz IIIs

Lawrence

Hey Lawrence-the floor is yours:D

[Andrew Hall]

Andrew, Only problem is only a few people know that much, so, maybe you only get to post if you know something about the photo? IDK, just an idea.

Hi Larry, no my message didn't intend to sound exclusive. Whatever anyone's comfortable with - it's all good :)

Here's another one. This one is probably from II./23. What I find interesting is the clothing worn. I always imagine the coat on the guy in the middle to be like one of those pictures's you used to make as kid. Lots of different colour wool pulled through from the inside and then snipped off. It would certainly look weird in colour! :)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/Andrewausfa/Pantherxx3.jpg

A

[Larry Bates]

Hi Andrew,

What was I thinking? :cool:

Anyway, nice pic. The other thing I notice, is the absence of the inside cable, ring? you know, where the tow cable loop attaches to the hook. Thats one crazy jacket the commander's wearing. Striped?

Larry

[lquah]

Is that fur coat? Maybe his mom made the coat for him :D

[Andrew Hall]

I think it's rabbit skin or similiar but I pretend to myself it's really made by his kid sister and really looks something along these lines....... :)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/Andrewausfa/finishedpom-pom.jpg

De riguer wear for an Ost Front panzer soldat!

A

[Larry Bates]

:D :D

Lolololololol

[Evan August]

OK, here's a few more-

Looks like Befehlspanther R01, HG?

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m78/luckyevan/oRO1.jpg

An all SW Panther from ML-

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m78/luckyevan/VH133.jpg

[Larry Bates]

Nice find Evan, I haven't seen that one before.

L

[djohannsen]

Well, this is kind of off topic, but curiosity is getting the better of me...

Would someone care to opine on what weapon was the probable source of the penetrations on the glacis and the mantlet on the SW Panther? It sure looks like a sabot round, but I didn't think these were used back in WWII. Perhaps the Monroe effect of a shaped charge warhead? I would be grateful to anyone who knows ordnance who might be willing to go out a limb with this one.


Dave

(By the way, I sure would have hated to have been the radio operator on that Panther. Just guessing, but I'm betting that that glacis penetration ruined his day - ouch!)

[lquah]

Cool photos Evan. Thanks for sharing them

Lawrence

[Panzergrenadier]

Well, this is kind of off topic, but curiosity is getting the better of me...

Would someone care to opine on what weapon was the probable source of the penetrations on the glacis and the mantlet on the SW Panther? It sure looks like a sabot round, but I didn't think these were used back in WWII. Perhaps the Monroe effect of a shaped charge warhead? I would be grateful to anyone who knows ordnance who might be willing to go out a limb with this one.


Dave

(By the way, I sure would have hated to have been the radio operator on that Panther. Just guessing, but I'm betting that that glacis penetration ruined his day - ouch!)

I also think it might be a shaped charge. Or else there was just a really brave gunner of a really small AT gun.:)


Siim

[Stuke Sowle]

Alright nice to see this thread again! A golden oldie eh?

Now if we can just bump the ol' T-55 thread back up!

[lquah]

Not sure if you guys have seen these before

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/lquah/Photos%20Panther/123abc0014.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/lquah/Photos%20Panther/123abc0015.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/lquah/Photos%20Panther/123abc0016.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/lquah/Photos%20Panther/302.jpg

Lawrence

[Evan August]

Sweet! Thanks for sharing those LQ!

[Evan August]

Found these on a site about the Konrad operations. Couldn't read the foreign text though. Nice pic-

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m78/luckyevan/konrad4n.jpg

And this one-

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m78/luckyevan/konrad2n.jpg

Not the best pic ever, but the Panthers in the background got me thinking. I recall a discussion on ML on 'branches whitewash' in which areas were left void of whitewash to create a 'branches' pattern. Could that be what we are seeing?

[Andrew Hall]

That top one's a new one for me Evan, do you have a link to the site?

Thanks _ Andrew

[Sheeds]

Get with it Andrew. ;)

Its in the JJF publication "Soldiers of the Waffen SS. Many nations, One Motto".

Shown lounging in the Panther's cupola is the CO of 6./SS-Pz.Rgt.5, Alfred Grossrock. This shot is much better than the poorly reproduced JJF one.

Your second shot Evan, shows Panthers of the II Pz.Abt being lead by an SPW of I. Germania on the 2nd Jan 45. I assume going through the tough forests while trying to relieve Budapest during opperation Konrad 1.

Sheeds.

[Andrew Hall]

Get with it Andrew. ;) Its in the JJF publication "Soldiers of the Waffen SS. Many nations, One Motto".

No but yeah but no but that's just so unfair cos I ain't never not even heard of that book an' even if I did have I haven't........ad infinitum.

Is it? Rikmenspoels book, I've never had the chance to flick through it. Add another to the list then :)

Andrew.

[lquah]

Bump up of this thread :)

[Larry Bates]

Ok, another bump, this thread is just too good. :D

[Plushy]

I love this Thread :thumb:

[Plushy]

some photos off the net that i have found if any one owns them or wants them removed please pm me .

[Evan August]

Nice ones James.

[Larry Bates]

Yes, what Evan said........:thumb:

[Jan Peters]

Nice pics!
Does anyone have any Bergepanther pics?
I managed to find the old italeri one with lots of extra's :D (it will be the 6th panther in my stash.... guess what i'll be building next ;))
Jan :D

ps i know the italeri berge isn't the best kit around, but hey you've gotta start somewhere :D

[Larry Bates]

Jan,

Will take a look and get back to you.

Laz

[Jan Peters]

Thanks Laz!
Jan :)

[lquah]

Here ya go, Jan

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/lquah/Bergepanther/1161365652.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/lquah/Bergepanther/1161374642.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/lquah/Bergepanther/02443.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/lquah/Bergepanther/6544.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/lquah/Bergepanther/berg_7.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/lquah/Bergepanther/bergenpanther_01.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/lquah/Bergepanther/bergepanther-1.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/lquah/Bergepanther/bergepanther_3.jpg

Are there any specific views you are looking for?

Lawrence

[lquah]

Some more

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/lquah/Bergepanther/bergepanther_d.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/lquah/Bergepanther/bergev.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/lquah/Bergepanther/Bergpant.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/lquah/Bergepanther/BergpantinFrencharmy.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/lquah/Bergepanther/les_grandes_batailles1.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/lquah/Bergepanther/rudy12italygerbergepanther.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/lquah/Bergepanther/rudy14italygerbergepanther504pzabt.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/lquah/Bergepanther/spzabt_512_2b.jpg

L2

[jimmy66]

found this one ??/


http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h201/_sharon/8fb12.jpg

[tamigawa]

oh that is cool ;) would make an interesting dio....

Good stuff lawence. I've got some other Bergepanther pics, I'll get them up later.

[panamadan]

Great thread! Dan

[Plushy]

more pics

[tamigawa]

Good ones

[Larry Bates]

Alright,

Nice additions guys! A couple I haven't seen there Plushy. And Laz #2, I ain't never seen that many bergepanthers! :thumb: :thumb:

Laz :cool:

[landm]

I always enjoy seeing this thread get bumped back up! Nice pics guys. :thumb:

Mike

[lquah]

Laz

Chenquieh!

L2

[lquah]

Is this a Panther Ausf D that survived to late in the war? I can't make out the cupola but it looks like the roadwheels has 16 bolts.

Lawrence

http://www.planetarmor.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=724&d=1172552355

[tamigawa]

Yeah, those front two are certainly 16 bolt wheels. The last one (toward the rear) looks like it has more bolts though...

[tamigawa]

More Bergepanthers

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/92691/if.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/92691/sfh.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/92691/Untitled-1copy-3.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/92691/Untitled-2copy.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/92691/Untitled-3copy.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/92691/Untitled-3-2.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/92691/Untitled-4copy.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/92691/Untitled-5copy.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/92691/Untitled-5-1.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/92691/Untitled-6-1.jpg

[Larry Bates]

Alright Fletch!

Nice ones. :thumb:

Laz # 2, I have some cool shots of Panther D's in Germany late in the war from the tank driving schools pressed into service. I'll see if I can scan those and post them here.

Laz

[Jan Peters]

Here ya go, Jan

>>LOTSA PICTURES<<

Are there any specific views you are looking for?

Lawrence

Brilliant pics Lawrence THANKS!!
I'm particulary interested in ausf.D bergepanthers, any close-ups of the interiour would be great!
Edit: i seem to have missed a page :o THANKS Fletcher!
Jan :D

[lquah]

Jan

Here's a walkaround of the Bergepanther Ausf G in Saumur with excellent photos of the winch assembly
http://vincesgallery.smugmug.com/gallery/1331287#63444350

I should have more pics of the Ausf D in books. I will look for them and post them a bit later.

Lawrence

[lquah]

Laz # 2, I have some cool shots of Panther D's in Germany late in the war from the tank driving schools pressed into service. I'll see if I can scan those and post them here.


Thanks Laz ;) I am going to start my Panther D soon and any pics will be useful.

Laz #2

[Jan Peters]

Lawrence, thanks (again) that walk-around is most helpfull!
Jan :)

[tamigawa]

Here are a few more I ran across:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/92691/Untitled-3-3.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/92691/Untitled-2-3.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/92691/Untitled-1-5.jpg

[Larry Bates]

Nice!!!!!!!!

[lquah]

Good pics Fletch :D

[Larry Bates]

Here you go Lawrence.....

http://www.kitpic.com/is.php?i=33878&img=scan0003_copy_(.jpg

http://www.kitpic.com/is.php?i=33879&img=scan0002_copy_(.jpg

http://www.kitpic.com/is.php?i=33880&img=scan0001_copy_(.jpg

Laz :thumb:

[lquah]

Great pics Laz :thumb: I really must get those panzerwreck books.

L2

[Larry Bates]

They are well worth it. Larry

Laz :D

[Sheeds]

Hi Blokes!

I'd like to contribute 4 shots to this thread. :)

The first one is a new shot (to me), however rather murky of Panther A "305" from the Ground Power publication "Camouflage & Markings of German AFV Vol:1". It belongs to the Stab of 3 Co. I.SS-Pz.Rgt.12.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Sheeds/305-of-3Co-I.jpg

A second clearer shot of this cat.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Sheeds/Panther-A---305-of-12.jpg

These two shots show Panther A '334" of I. Pz.Rgt.4 in Italy 1944, with the interesting mud cam'd barrel. Paul has spiked my interest in this unit of late, and its amzing how many photos of these vehicles there are. Notice the last wheel. ;)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Sheeds/334-of-i-1.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Sheeds/334-of-i.jpg

Sheeds.

[Jan Peters]

Cool pics, i love the camo on the barrel!
Jan :)

[Larry Bates]

Cool shots Sheeds and all. :thumb:

Laz

[lquah]

Sheeds

I just picked up a copy of the Ground Power book during lunch today and it's a good book. But my copy doesn't have the personalised photos :confused:

L2

[tamigawa]

good pics :thumb: I like your watermarks ;)

[Jan Peters]

http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/2755/kopiekvten19458gq6.jpg

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/8760/24dg6.jpg

Jan :)

[lquah]

Jan

I only see red Xs :(

[Jan Peters]

Jan

I only see red Xs :(

Should be sorted now ;)
Jan :)

[lquah]

Cool..I have seen the first pic but not the second :thumb:

[lquah]

Here are some Panthers with a PzKpfw IV Ausf H turret

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/lquah/Photos%20Panther/64_1.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/lquah/Photos%20Panther/ferd_171.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/lquah/Photos%20Panther/fig8_404.jpg

[Jan Peters]

Another one, just visable in the corner ;)
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/5205/kopie4kvten19458no3.jpg
Jan :)

[Panzergrenadier]

Cool pics guys!

I can't remember right now, was the Pz IV turret secured on the Panther or could it turn too?:confused:

Siim

[lquah]

Siim

The PzIV turret was immobile

L2

[tamigawa]

Here's another one:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/92691/lhadgldkgksajkgfasf.jpg

[Evan August]

Someone's got a nice build up of the flak Panther on ML.

Here's one I found the other day, late G, with the hoods for the exhausts!

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m78/luckyevan/41.jpg

[Larry Bates]

Nice pic Evan,

where, or what book did that come from?

Laz

[tamigawa]

nice pic. :thumb:

[Evan August]

I have no idea Larry. Found it going through the hard drive, maybe from ML or Ebay?

[sbuss]

the picture is taken from one of the czech internet pages (the same domain where the "Flakpanther"-pictures come from) and there is actually a frontview of the very same vehicule available.


here is the link:

http://www.dolin.estranky.cz/fotoalbum/FOTO-1939-1945/Hrusky-1945/41
http://www.dolin.estranky.cz/fotoalbum/FOTO-1939-1945/Hrusky-1945/42


Stefan

[Larry Bates]

Stefan,

Thanks for the link, great site.

Larry

[Jan Peters]

Found some more:
This was in Berlin; Wilhelmstraße at Reichsluftfahrtministerium
then:
http://i2.tinypic.com/2nsz9zn.jpg
Now:
http://i16.tinypic.com/46zd73k.jpg

And a dug-in panther (still one of my favorite subjects)
http://www.kitpic.com/is.php?i=33914&img=pzkpB.jpg

Some pics of the Daimler-Benzwerke in 1945

http://www.kitpic.com/is.php?i=33957&img=DB_Berlin.jpeg

http://www.kitpic.com/is.php?i=33956&img=DB_berlin45.jpe.jpg

http://www.kitpic.com/is.php?i=33958&img=daimler_panther.jpg


Jan :)

[tamigawa]

cool pics, to bad your bandwidth is shot :(

[Jan Peters]

I linked to the location where i found the pics, i'll try and relocate them, 'cause i forgot the save them to my HD ;)
Jan :)

[Larry Bates]

cool shots, more, more.........:D

Laz

[lquah]

Nice pics :thumb: I like those Then and Now photos

Laz #2

[Jan Peters]

Got some more pantherstellung pics:
This one is well known, but not with the burning house in the background (at least not to me ;))
http://i7.tinypic.com/3y4gsh4.jpg

Then:
http://i19.tinypic.com/4dmauz4.jpg
Now:
http://i9.tinypic.com/35avz46.jpg

And one of the pics i posted above (of the DB-werke)
http://i18.tinypic.com/4h1kg8h.jpg
I hope they re-apear soon, they are very nice pics.
Jan :)

[MarioL]

@Larry,
here are some then and now-photos in berlin,i have made the pics some weeks ago.

http://i15.tinypic.com/2iu6tlu.jpg
http://i12.tinypic.com/2uz9cgz.jpg


http://i13.tinypic.com/2vw9zcy.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/3ygpsgi.jpg


http://i19.tinypic.com/441xk01.jpg
http://i13.tinypic.com/2zznwb5.jpg


http://i15.tinypic.com/4h1a6p0.jpg
http://i19.tinypic.com/29nv4u0.jpg


http://i1.tinypic.com/2n8behe.jpg
http://i8.tinypic.com/2up95ox.jpg


http://i17.tinypic.com/3y3hvyw.jpg
http://i3.tinypic.com/2ci8byg.jpg


http://i3.tinypic.com/2hocsva.jpg
http://i2.tinypic.com/2ij4t8h.jpg
http://i18.tinypic.com/30af0c3.jpg
http://i1.tinypic.com/43oi0sl.jpg


http://i11.tinypic.com/2vc6xvl.jpg
http://i7.tinypic.com/4cht2ec.jpg


http://i8.tinypic.com/2mmxtub.jpg
http://i8.tinypic.com/2j34l8m.jpg

[Larry Bates]

Nice pics,

Maybe time to start Panther pics part two. ;)

Larry

[tamigawa]

Very cool :thumb:

[lquah]

Mario

Great pics :thumb: Looking at the current photos, it's hard to imagine the scene 50 odd years ago. Imagine seeing Tigers, Panthers, Stugs rolling down the street :eek:

LQ

[Andrew Hall]

Thanks for sharing these Mario :) The comparison in Chausseestrasse is particularly evocative. All those people going about their daily life where sixty years ago there was death and destruction.

Regards - Andrew

[Jan Peters]

Found another:
http://forum.axishistory.com/files/senate_206.jpg
Jan :)

[tamigawa]

Here's the pic:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/92691/senate_206.jpg

;) No more stealing images :D

[lquah]

Nice pic Jan. Any info on the location? Can't tell if it has any turret numbers

Lawrence

[Sheeds]

Fellas!

It shows the Panthers "captured" by the French and put into service. Below is another angle, as well as the Panther G they also "captured".

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Sheeds/FFI-Panther-A.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Sheeds/FFI-Panther-G.jpg

Sorry LQ, no idea on location, except that it's France. ;)

Sheeds.

[lquah]

Sheeds

Great pics :thumb: The second photo is the extension of the photo posted by Jan. :cool:

Could they possibly be post war Panthers attached to 503e Régiment de Chars de Combat stationed in Mourmelon le Grand.

LQ

[lquah]

Some photos of a Free French Force Panther named "Kaysersberg" captured by the 1st RCA in December 1944. Kaysersberg was commanded by Adre Soubeyran with gunner Auguste Proux. It was used at Battle of Colmar in January 1945 but mechanical problems meant that it never engaged the Germans. It was abandoned near Lauterbourg on April 4, 1945

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/lquah/Photos%20Panther/kaysersberg_1rcaBattleofColmarJan19.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/lquah/Photos%20Panther/kaysersberg_1rca_2.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/lquah/Photos%20Panther/kaysersberg_1rca_4.jpg

LQ

[Jan Peters]

I found it on the axis history forum, it is captioned: Jardin du Senate , Paris August 1944 (not sure what it means, if it's a unit or a location (jardin = garden if i'm not mistaken)

Here is another one (i stole ;)) :
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/125/402194037_62bfcd7757.jpg?v=0
And another one, a pic from the 70-ies at Saumur
http://thumb10.webshots.net/t/16/17/8/41/56/252284156jIwKYZ_th.jpg (http://news.webshots.com/photo/1252284156063387170jIwKYZ)
Jan :D

[jtrowbridge5]

the panther photographed in Paris is at the end of the champs Elysee's on the place DE la concord
dennis

[lquah]

And to think now the garden is covered in bushes where young couples go and make out in summer :D

[Andrew Hall]

Boys,

That's the Jardins du Luxembourg, which are the gardens of the Palace of Luxembourg which houses the Fench Senate.

Somewhere I have the complete pic, in the crop above you can just see a glimpse of a Renault or Hotchkiss?? next to the Panther, I can't remember which.

Andrew

[Sheeds]

[QUOTE=lquah;35417]Great pics :thumb: The second photo is the extension of the photo posted by Jan. :cool:[QUOTE=lquah;35417]

Derr no ship LQ! That's why I posted it.....extensions and other photos of the one shot Jan posted seemed like the pertinent thing to do. :)

Sheeds.

[lquah]

Good one Sheeds! :D:D:D

[djiti]

the french panther in paris was outside "les invalides " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Invalides actually it is the museum of armies

and this panther is now at the museum of tank at saumur

in the past they were two panthers

[jtrowbridge5]

Andrew.
you have lost me??? what picture are you referring to
dennis

[Sheeds]

Hi Dennis.

Andrew's referring to a wider view of this shot where the French Char is visable. I've drawn an arrow. :)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Sheeds/B17d-2.jpg

Sheeds.

[jtrowbridge5]

sheeds.
thanks for that
dennis

[Sheeds]

No stress Dennis.

I think it doubtful we'll see the full uncropped (and in a decent reproduction) picture for a while yet! :)

Sheeds

[Larry Bates]

Sheeds,

You're killin me man..............:D

Laz

[the_dagger]

I'm looking for pictures of Panther 421 thats on the boxart of the new Dragon kit. I have the one were you can see a piece of the turret, but I think I have seen some other picture of the whole tank or something like that. Any help is appriciated!

// Henrik

[Panzergrenadier]

I don't mean to cover Henriks question, but here goes...
I have seen here wonderful Panther pics but only one Wiking Panther. I'm in need of pictures of Wiking Panthers for a certain project.

Siim

[Sheeds]

Henrik.

The shot you request is in this thread, but it probably means you'll have to search through 24 pages of photos. If you cant find it, I'll dig it out and repost it.

Siim, which Wiking Panther are you doing?

Sheeds.

[Panzergrenadier]

Hanrik, is this the shot you were looking for?
http://www.planetarmor.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15521&postcount=15

Sheeds, I'm pretty much open to all Wiking Panther pics. Best would be early A or late A version.
I have some pictures but there should be more,right?

I have found those:

997

998

999

1000

1001

1002

1003

I guess I'm seaching for something more clearer in details as in multiple shots of the same vehicle.

[the_dagger]

Hanrik, is this the shot you were looking for?
http://www.planetarmor.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15521&postcount=15

Yeah, thats the one i was thinking about. Does there excist any other photos of 421? Iwondering if the camo paint should be applied to the horrizontal parts (turret roof, engine deck etc.)?

// Henrik

[Andrew Hall]

More Wikinger

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/Andrewausfa/Panther534ofSSPzRgt5.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/Andrewausfa/BefehlspantherSpZRgt5.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/Andrewausfa/Panther823ofSSPzRgt5.jpg

Henrik, the answer to your question is yes. There's a useful shot of a very late Panther from Pz.Rgt.3 at Bad Kissingen on the US 11th Cavalry website that shows the scheme continues onto the roof .

Andrew

[the_dagger]

Andrew, I can't fint the webpage ( I only found pages about the Vietnam war). Do you have the adress?

// Henrik

[Andrew Hall]

Eaglehorse.org

http://www.eaglehorse.org/pictures/panther/panthers.htm

Andrew

[Sheeds]

Isn't that one high on the Hall "to do list"? :)

Do we think/know thats a LSW?

Sheeds

[Larry Bates]

Awesome pics Andrew.

:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

Larry

[Panzergrenadier]

Very nice pictures, thanks.:)