Sturmgeschutz 111

[brokeneagle]

This one was started ages ago and left. I am hoping that by posting it here it will make me finish it! I haven't decided on a particular unit or area yet. I am still just adding all the changes for a final model. Some details I will go back over as well as finishing off the rest. Lots more to go!

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/Test2046.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/Test2048.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/Test3039.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/100_9255.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/100_9254.jpg

I am interested in doing the one in the photograph below but only because it has all the late features and has that cool weathed number 20 on the front. Any ideas on the coloring and cammo?If I go ahead with this I will have to change the shield mounts and add the armoured hood over the driver's vision port.anyone has any other cool shots of final Stug 3's or some color profiles I would be greatful if they could post them. ;)

photo from Panzerwaffe 1945 vol. 1 Wydawnictwo "MILITARIA"
Caption reads : StuG 40Ausf G assault gun from the Panzer Sturm Reserve in Poznan Feb '45
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/Untitled.jpg

[Larry Bates]

Hi Ian,

Nice choice, I have this one half started, of this very subject, but don't have as good a pic as this.

Looks like your off to a smashing start! ;)

Larry

[sam_dwyer]

Great minds hey Hilly!!

How many times have we done this conversion, grafting the good late bits from the DML kit onto the Tamiya G? I reckon this will be my 3rd? Your stug is looking great too Larry.

Here are some shots of mine.. its been like this for 2 years :(

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/samd1/_DSC5257.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/samd1/_DSC5258.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/samd1/_DSC5259.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/samd1/_DSC5260.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/samd1/_DSC5261.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/samd1/_DSC5262.jpg

hhhhmmmm Waffles.

Sam

PS Hilly, keep an eye out, ill email you all the stug shots I have

[Gorbad from Poznan]

Hiya
Caption of this photo is definitely wrong- this pic was taken by Russians, after taking Koenigsberg (Krolewiec). There is the whole series of photos with buildings which are very characteristic for Koenigsberg. Unfortunately, the author of this book (Panzerwaffe 1945 vol. 1) is wrong quite often when it comes to captions.

[Andreas Larka]

Gentlemen,
Please note that the DML / Revell return rollers are too wide apart. They should be as tight as the Tamiya ones.

Here is a picture to clarify what I am talking about:

http://www.andreaslarka.net/ps531045/53104546.jpg

Otherwise very, very nice models! I am planning a similar Tamiya / Revell conversion myself and it's always nice to see how it has turned out for other modellers.

[Sheeds]

Nice models fellas........Sam and Hilly, in your case it isnt that great minds think alike, rather that small minds seldom differ! ;)

Willy

[Larry Bates]

Hey Ian,

Here's how I did the additional armour over the driver periscope.
Pretty simple. I'm wondering if there is some additional armour on the other side
also.

Larry

[Larry Bates]

one more....... ;)

BTW Sam, mine's been like this for almost as long as yours. :lol:

Larry

[brokeneagle]

Thanks Larry,
that will help with my shield. The other side seems to have some rubbish there - steel plates or something. I was trying to make it out last night. The piece on the fender almost looks like the mg sheild from the version without the remote mount. :)

[Larry Bates]

Yeah, it's hard to say what it is as both the transmission access doors are open, partially blocking the view. It also looks like that plate is a different color. I was hoping to find a subject with more shurzen on the sides, but.....I guess I'll have to do an earlier G, or an F-8 with that. I like that beetle like look. There are a couple of cool shots of some crossing open ground, possibly on the hunt, with lots of stuff on the rear and covered partially in foliage.

Larry

[brokeneagle]

Larry,
Could this help. Wrong manlet and zimm but all side shields. Also it looks like it has the remote Mg mount under the bit of material.

Panzerwrecks
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/stuglate.jpg

[Evan August]

Ian, Larry, and Sam, your Stugs are all looking great!

[Larry Bates]

Originally posted by Evan August@Jan 5 2006, 09:14 PM
Ian, Larry, and Sam, your Stugs are all looking great!
Thanks Evan. :thumb:

Ian, that's an awesome one. I think I'm committed for now. ( or, probably should be.) But thats more like what I had in mind. I have got to get that book!

Larry

[Sheeds]

Again, Nice looking inprog Stugs fellas. Is this what you're after Hilly? There sure are some hottie late Stug III's.....I'm almost inspired......but you cant do the Berlin sign post one....thats Willys Stug! :thumb:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Sheeds/Men20by20German20Tank.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Sheeds/Panzer20Div.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Sheeds/ger-pziv-1.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Sheeds/2164.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Sheeds/2743.jpg

My Fayvret

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Sheeds/11PzStug---KoLhommeDarmes22-2804194.jpg

Willy.

[Larry Bates]

Nice,
I like the one with the hole thru the barrel.

Larry

[brokeneagle]

:) that one looks good doesn't it Larry.
Thanks Willy, though the 4th last is a Stug 4.
The second last one looks pretty tough with the extra wheels.
Have you guys noticed the prevelance of pieces of material/canvas in a lot of late war Knockout shots on German armour. You see it in most wreckage photos. Its always strewn around the scene[ though these ones from Willy are a bit lacking.
My theory is that there is a guy with a cape and a big 'M' on his leotards that lands at every wreck and draps the stuff around. As he flys into the sunset the Nearby American soldiers shout "hooray for Material Man"! :lol:

[Larry Bates]

:lol:

[Sheeds]

What Stug IV? ;)

"Material Man".....? Time to change dealers dude.

Willy :)

[Larry Bates]

Originally posted by brokeneagle@Jan 5 2006, 09:07 PM
Larry,
Could this help. Wrong manlet and zimm but all side shields. Also it looks like it has the remote Mg mount under the bit of material.

Panzerwrecks
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/stuglate.jpg
You know Ian,

After some careful second glances, it would appear that this stug was knocked out by stoning! :o Look, there on the grass in front of it! Stoning stones.

:lol:

[sam_dwyer]

This Stug IV -

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Sheeds/StuGatLohrGermany45.jpg

And its a hottie!

[sam_dwyer]

Winterketten!

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/samd1/waffen_ss_02.jpg

[Larry Bates]

He sings?


Nice pic Sam.

[Larry Bates]

I kind of like this one.

Concord publishing.

[Larry Bates]

Originally posted by Gorbad from Poznan@Jan 5 2006, 03:50 AM
Hiya
Caption of this photo is definitely wrong- this pic was taken by Russians, after taking Koenigsberg (Krolewiec). There is the whole series of photos with buildings which are very characteristic for Koenigsberg. Unfortunately, the author of this book (Panzerwaffe 1945 vol. 1) is wrong quite often when it comes to captions.
My copy, although not as good quality, from Concord says also from Konigsburg.

[brokeneagle]

[QUOTE=Larry Bates,Jan 6 2006, 02:05 AM]You know Ian,

After some careful second glances, it would appear that this stug was knocked out by stoning! :o Look, there on the grass in front of it! Stoning stones.

:lol: Larry......Stoning Stones....... the glue fumes are extra good around here today!
Though it does look like that is what took the chunks out of the zimm doesn't it! ;)

[Sheeds]

Speaking of "Stugs I'd like to build", I found this shot on eBay. I think this shot tells a thousand words.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Sheeds/27_3.jpg

Willy.

[Sheeds]

Larry, I found these two angles of your Stug. Now you have no excuses not to finish your model! ;)

They're scanned from the excellent (and under rated) series by Sunday Art, in this case "German Assault Guns". These books are excellent for their raw images, as well as giving you other angles of the same vehicle.....and in much better quality than the shot scanned from your Concord publication! :)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Sheeds/stug-iii-late.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Sheeds/stug-iii-late-2.jpg

Willy.

[Guest]

Originally posted by Willy Naylor@Jan 6 2006, 03:29 AM
Speaking of "Stugs I'd like to build", I found this shot on eBay. I think this shot tells a thousand words.

Willy.
:o Willy,
your a god...........this is the best one yet. I 'll take that and dio it thanks!

[Sheeds]

I thought this shot from the Sunday Art book was the same as the vague one Larry posted from his Concord publication. It must be a few more frames along the roll though.

Any bets on the age of the antique in the fox hole? ;)


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Sheeds/stug-iii-late-3.jpg

Now you have 3 extra shots Larry. :thumb:

Willy.

[brokeneagle]

Originally posted by Guest@Jan 6 2006, 05:25 AM
:o Willy,
your a god...........this is the best one yet. I 'll take that and dio it thanks!
:o That was me Willy, I forgot to log in ........ I was still getting over the photo. I love the bent ones.
As for the age of the guy....... 45.

[Larry Bates]

Originally posted by Willy Naylor@Jan 6 2006, 05:20 AM
Larry, I found these two angles of your Stug. Now you have no excuses not to finish your model! ;)

Willy.
Oh man.............! I need more hours in the day, especially the weeekend.

You guys are amazing. Thanks. ;)

Larry

[Larry Bates]

Originally posted by brokeneagle@Jan 6 2006, 10:53 AM

As for the age of the guy....... 45.
.....I'll say 48......
nice schnaze. ;)

Larry

[Sticky]

Some very nice stuggie things goin' on here! I luv it!

[Larry Bates]

Originally posted by brokeneagle@Jan 6 2006, 03:03 AM
:lol: Larry......Stoning Stones....... the glue fumes are extra good around here today!

It' just a gas!

[Stuke Sowle]

Woah...is that Testors tube glue that I see????


And yes, fantastic StuG's going on in here. I only have a IV that is half finished:

http://www.kitpic.com/is.php?i=8826&img=StuGIV6.jpg

http://www.kitpic.com/is.php?i=8828&img=StuGIV3.jpg

[brokeneagle]

Stuke,
is that the DML 4....... is it a good kit? Better than their older chassis 4 versions? You've done a stack of work on it , looks great!
Testors mmmmmmmm.

[sam_dwyer]

Stuke, ace looking stug. Is it too late to pry off those nasty DML roadwheels and replace them with the funky Tristar ones?

Ace zimm!

Sam

[Sticky]

That is a beauty! Never too late to pull it apart - just be careful!

[Sheeds]

Great looking Stug Stuke, I have one of these to satrt...but now I think I'll have to leave it until I finish my Stug III! ;)

Sam, the Waffles pattern Zimm on your Stug looks good too.

Willy.

[Larry Bates]

Stuke,

Excellent Stug man.

I OnLy UsE tEStoRs whEn I'm LACking ImaGinaTION. :lol:

Wow everyone has a Half finished stug in the closet!

Larry

[Evan August]

Since we all like Stugs so much, here's one from my collection-

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/eaugust/untitled.jpg

[Stuke Sowle]

Originally posted by sam_dwyer@Jan 6 2006, 05:31 PM
Stuke, ace looking stug. Is it too late to pry off those nasty DML roadwheels and replace them with the funky Tristar ones?

Ace zimm!

Sam
Yes, they are not glued on Sam but I am saving my Tristar ones for a Jagdpanzer IV build. In fact, I robbed the Friuls from this kit as well. I think it looks like hell for some reason, but many thanks to everyone for the compliments!

Gotta love StuG's !!

[Larry Bates]

Originally posted by Evan August@Jan 7 2006, 01:14 AM
Since we all like Stugs so much, here's one from my collection.


Awesome stug Evan ;)

[brokeneagle]

Originally posted by Stuke Sowle@Jan 6 2006, 08:22 PM
Woah...is that Testors tube glue that I see????


And yes, fantastic StuG's going on in here. I only have a IV that is half finished:


Stuke,
what are all your clasps and tool brackets done with, they almost look like rubber?
[They look cool ;) ]

[Stuke Sowle]

Ian,

It's just the plain ol' Eduard PE set for the vehicle, which BTW is the old DML StuG IV early.

[brokeneagle]

Well, I got off my bum and did some stuff on the Stug last night. I have decided not to base it on a particular photo but just go ahead with a super late with all the mods.Got all the good gear together ...............
.....................................http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2809.jpg

and got into it in front of the T.V [dvd actually - Invader Zim]
......................................http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2800.jpg
I pretty much ripped half of what I had done previously and started again. Added the cast numbers to the mantlet.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2804.jpg
And gave a slight texture with mr surfacer 500 'unstirred', which allows it to spread out a bit more and give a smoother cast effect without sanding.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2825.jpg
I also added the nut to the muzzle lock plate- only took 4 years!
Next up was the added armour and welds on the front. I kept some of the Tamiya welds as I did not think that I could make them look any better. The larger welds needed more work, which I am still in the process.. I do not have any soft small wire so I using plastic stock for the thinner stuff.
Beware, I am not one of these clean builders that don't seem to leave a mark but I do clean up after. I ripped off the track that I had glued here years ago and added the wire posts. The steel plate will have to be worked.
.......................................http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2810.jpg

.......................................http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2814.jpg

.......................................http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2811.jpg

I added more brass to the cupola from Aber and did some stuff at the back.....

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2806.jpg

.......................http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2805.jpg

I bent and battered the front left guard and will now add the retaining bolts.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2813.jpg

[brokeneagle]

I decided to add some detail to the back and half destoyed the manual engine starter cover trying to slice it away from the back plate. Consequently I am in the process of rebuilding the bottom C shaped catch. Added the hole and the ring pull and replaced the bolt heads that had been cut off.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2817.jpg
Also started on the welds at the front plate.....
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2819.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2820.jpg

and the added the small tooth to make the hull side exstensions right for a final model.http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2821.jpg
I then took note of the post earlier regarding the DML wheels being to wide and adjusted those. I had to cut them off the chassis and mod' them. To put them back on I will have to add an extension to the mount so they meet the track in the correct place.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2808.jpg
I have also added some sheet plastic to the lower hull front as a platform for the large weld I am replacing there. Photo's show this to be a large , ruff and ugly weld so I have scored out a Mil from the upper plate.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2823.jpg
I added some wear and tear to the rubber tyres to simulate Lots of 'rubble driving'
...............http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2822.jpg

I am now looking at the brass shields I have from Aber.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2827.jpg
They are the set for the early and after looking at Actung panzer I can't see a great deal of difference from the late ones except for some bolts .......Could you guys give me some advice here, as I don't want to cut into a set if I shouldn't. :( Bear in mind that I do not need the whole set, only the mounts and 2 or 3 shields. It will be fairly battle damaged! ;)

[sam_dwyer]

Looking ace Hilly.
Love the look of the starter crank hatch. Might be time to tidy the workstation though!

Sam

[Larry Bates]

Looks Friggin Awesome Mr. Hilly ;)

Larry

[brokeneagle]

Thanks guys,
yeah getting a bit crowded with Stuff! Can you guys give me some advice on my shield question at the end ? :)

[Larry Bates]

Seems to me most late ones rather than use the angle iron framework, the shurzen plates were hung off the rods on the fenders, but they were extended (the rods that is). Some had the top plates angled in to meet the hull at the top. Some had no plates at all. I thought that plates were added in the field, and only the framework was built in factory.

[Larry Bates]

Ian,

I don't know if all late stugs had these but there should be a vertical weld on the cupola. I have illustrated it with the red line.

[brokeneagle]

Thanks Larry,
if that is the case I should be able to go ahead with the early set and just use selected sheets. The rail can still be there on the late ones as well....... doesn't really seem to be any difference except were field mods are added as you pointed out.

I don't inow if all late stugs had these but there should bd a vertical weld on the cupola. I have illustrated it with the red line.

Yeah, I noticed that one too and have added it since the photo's. Its a hard one because it seems to be a very small bead! I also have to change the hatch angle as well as the late hatches opened to a flat position.

[Larry Bates]

cool

[Guest]

Changed my incorrect muzzle break to the proper late mod. I got this from my left overs - Pak 40 DML. This kit gives you 3 beautiful muzzle brake's, one which is a final model.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2828.jpg
back to the real bench.

[Sheeds]

Looking great Hilly,

But.....how do you find anything on that bench? ;)

What Stoog have you decided on?

Will.

[brokeneagle]

Willy,
haven't picked an actual stug so unless I find one it will be one that typifies a late war Stug. Fictional setting.
My workbench,...........how organised are you guys. I thrive in choas. :lol: When its all going down I haven't got time to play Nanny cleans the Kitchen! I do that when its all over.......and then onward to the next project. :)

[Larry Bates]

Ian,
I notice you have an etch mate, mate. I love mine. Mission models is just about an hour up the freeway in the Los Angeles area. I try not to go there too much as you can drop alot of cash really fast. :lol:

Larry

[mnickolson]

Ian,

I like the work table there and a nice looking overhaul you got going on. One question if I may, are there any pictures in the Actung book you have of the auto MG mount. I am tring to see what it looks like. I noticed the one on your earler build looks like it had been updated.

Mike

[mnickolson]

Originally posted by Larry Bates@Jan 10 2006, 12:50 PM
Ian,
I notice you have an etch mate, mate. I love mine. Mission models is just about an hour up the freeway in the Los Angeles area. I try not to go there too much as you can drop alot of cash really fast. :lol:

Larry

Hmm etch mate.... I had one of those for a short time. I did not like the fact that on the left side (and I checked this on more than one) it did not tighen down all the way. There seemed to always be a gap and it did not hold well on that side. Have you found that to be the case on yours.

Mike

[Larry Bates]

I have not found that on mine at all. They seem to me to be very well made. Possibly yours was somehow bent, as they are machined aluminium.

[brokeneagle]

Originally posted by Larry Bates@Jan 10 2006, 10:50 AM
Ian,
I notice you have an etch mate, mate. I love mine. Mission models is just about an hour up the freeway in the Los Angeles area. I try not to go there too much as you can drop alot of cash really fast. :lol:

Larry
:) Larry,
a great tool. Though I am still finding out how to use all the angles properly.
Mission models up the road, god I would be a beggar in the street by now If I were you! What other good gear do they sell?
;) Mike mentioned the tilt to one side - mine does not have that.

[sharkmouth]

Originally posted by Evan August@Jan 7 2006, 02:14 AM
Since we all like Stugs so much, here's one from my collection-

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/eaugust/untitled.jpg
Wow, and a sharkmouth to boot! Isaw this in the Concord book PAnzers in the Gunsights and fell in love :lol:

regards,
Saúl

[brokeneagle]

Originally posted by mnickolson@Jan 10 2006, 12:41 PM
Ian,

I like the work table there and a nice looking overhaul you got going on. One question if I may, are there any pictures in the Actung book you have of the auto MG mount. I am tring to see what it looks like. I noticed the one on your earler build looks like it had been updated.

Mike
Mike,
I mod'd mine from the original using the nice line drawings in actung panzer, good photo's as well. Mine still needs a rework though.
Both these are from Actung panzer Late to Final Stug section.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/linedwgmg.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/mgphoto.jpg
Ihope these help. ;)

[brokeneagle]

I added some more welds to the roof last night , this proved to be a lot trickier than I thought. The welds look like they stick up a fair way in the picture but its just the photo. I have made them large'ish but looking at different photos [check the triangular seam near the MG mount in the previous post photo's] these welds were quite large and ugly. Also there were no 'Arc robots' on the linein 1944-45, like you get in modern automotive today, so these would have been done by hand and every tank would be different. The difference would be even more pronounced between factories. I am learning with this effect so next time I would like to retain a bit of the edge of the plate above the weld in an uneven way- so I might make the seam groove deeper in some places. I haven't finished with them yet as I will paint them with a bit of Mr Surfacer add add some plate edging maybe?
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2831.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2830.jpg
I also enhanced the welds the lifting rings on the side of the superstrucure with my pyrograve from Historex.

[Larry Bates]

Originally posted by brokeneagle@Jan 10 2006, 08:20 PM
:) Larry,
Mission models up the road, god I would be a beggar in the street by now If I were you! What other good gear do they sell?
;)
Ian,

John Tamkin's shop is like AM heaven. MK and Friul up the ying yang, resin kits, Mori, a wall of Aber photo etch, most of what you could think of. Not a tremendous amount of kits, although they recently moved and I haven't been to their new place. Like a kid in a candy store. First time I went there I dropped close to two hundred US dollars, and I was being conservative :lol:

Larry

BTW your Stug is looking great.

[Sticky]

OMG Ian - I'm glad I caught this thread! The S shaped tow hooks were replaced with the C shaped ones on the lates. The Aber set has the holder for them!

Phew! ;)

[brokeneagle]

Thanks Sticky!
Because I have picked up an old (previously started) model there are a lot of features that need replacing. I had missed the hooks so thank you. There is a lot to change between Mid and final - more than I realised when I started .
:) thanks again.

[brokeneagle]

Originally posted by Larry Bates@Jan 10 2006, 09:31 PM
Ian,

John Tamkin's shop is like AM heaven. MK and Friul up the ying yang, resin kits, Mori, a wall of Aber photo etch, most of what you could think of. Not a tremendous amount of kits, although they recently moved and I haven't been to their new place. Like a kid in a candy store. First time I went there I dropped close to two hundred US dollars, and I was being conservative :lol:

Larry

BTW your Stug is looking great.
Larry,
just out of curiosity, how much cheaper is an Etch-Mate over there at the shop. I paid about $110 AUD at a model show stall over here in Oz!

[Larry Bates]

Originally posted by brokeneagle@Jan 10 2006, 09:56 PM
Larry,
just out of curiosity, how much cheaper is an Etch-Mate over there at the shop. I paid about $110 AUD at a model show stall over here in Oz!
Well at those prices you'll be a beggar in the street without coming here!

110 AUD is equal to 82.55 USD. I paid 50 to 55 USD. :o

Ouch.

[mnickolson]

Ian

Thanks A lot. Just what I needed.

Mike

[brokeneagle]

Originally posted by Larry Bates@Jan 10 2006, 10:13 PM
Well at those prices you'll be a beggar in the street without coming here!

110 AUD is equal to 82.55 USD. I paid 50 to 55 USD. :o

Ouch.
:( Larry,

Thanks A lot. Just what 'I' needed!

[Larry Bates]

Originally posted by mnickolson@Jan 10 2006, 10:52 PM
Ian

Thanks A lot. Just what I needed.

Mike
Mike,

Send it back, tell him about it, I'm sure he'll do you right.

Larry

[brokeneagle]

:o Did some more work on the roof armour and the wheels etc. I really like a picture I got from Willy but it has zimmerit so I will borrow some of the 'look' of the vehicle.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/wheelexample.jpg
Also the brass shields for the remote mg are way to thin so I am going back to the DML ones.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/shieldexample.jpg
I added the extra length to the hull mount for each wheel and drilled each one out to accomodate the new wheel. The Old ones had been glued in place!
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2844.jpg
Did some more work on the roof surface as well as the rest of upper superstructure - including some battledamage before I start putting all the brass clips on.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2836.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2837.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2850.jpg

Put the return rollers on.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2848.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2855.jpg
Also added the seam to the outside rear of the cupola drum.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2856.jpg
Added the bolts and plate to the outside of each ariel mount and enhanced the lifting hook welds.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2853.jpg

next is the gun travel lock and the rear deck stuff plus the bolts along the bottom and top guard mount brackets. ;)

[Larry Bates]

Ian,
Nice detail on the antenna mount. I need to go shopping for some "Goodies" ;)
Are those bolt heads AM, or did you shave them off a kit?
Larry

[Stuke Sowle]

Looking good Hilly!!

[brokeneagle]

Originally posted by Larry Bates@Jan 13 2006, 11:22 AM
Ian,
Nice detail on the antenna mount. I need to go shopping for some "Goodies" ;)
Are those bolt heads AM, or did you shave them off a kit?
Larry
Larry,
bolt heads are Kasten.

[Larry Bates]

Alright that's it , I'm calling Mission Models! ;)

Larry

[Evan August]

To paraphrase Beavis and Butthead, "Yeah! Yeah! Stugs kick ass!" Looking great!

[Andreas Larka]

Originally posted by brokeneagle@Jan 10 2006, 09:05 PM
I have made them large'ish but looking at different photos . . . these welds were quite large and ugly.
Hmmm... Not trying to be some kind of UberBesserwisser here, but according to my experience the weldings on the StuG's here in Finland (mid 1943 - mid 1944) are all very neat and tidy.

The weldings on the Tamiya hull parts are quite close to the originals. The weldings on the roof of the DML / Revell StuG only needs a bit of touching up to be OK.

Having said that I still think that your StuG is a very, very fine model. A wee bit of toning down of the roof-weldings would make in perfect!

[brokeneagle]

Andreas,
I agree and have toned them down slightly from the last photo's, as this was a first time experiment, however, I have been using Actung Panzer photos as well as Speilberger and I must say that some of the late war welds on the roof are pretty rough. I added a straight edge to the centre line weld but the one near the MG that angles and then goes straight can be quite rugged and pronounced in some photo's. I will deepen the groove on the next ones. ;)
A hungry German worker on the roofof a Stug, with an 'arcwelder', in Feb 45,with B-17's comming over by the truck load probably doesn't do as well as in 43 -44. :lol:
Thanks I will take it onboard ;)

[Andreas Larka]

Originally posted by brokeneagle@Jan 14 2006, 09:28 AM
A hungry German worker on the roof of a Stug, with an 'arcwelder', in Feb 45,with B-17's comming over by the truck load probably doesn't do as well as in 43 - 44.
Heh,
I bet you are right about that. :lol:

[James Tainton]

Originally posted by brokeneagle@Jan 14 2006, 07:28 AM
A hungry German worker on the roofof a Stug, with an 'arcwelder', in Feb 45,with B-17's comming over by the truck load probably doesn't do as well as in 43 -44.

I doubt it would have been a "hungry German worker". Most likely a foreign prisoner of war or other Konzentrationslager worker. And they probably weren't allowed to make too many mistakes?

[brokeneagle]

:lol: The 'Konzentrationslager worker' has added the travel lock spring release and a few bits here and there. Barrel has been given some texture as well.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2862.jpg

Still working on the Notek...
.........................................http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2865.jpg

Slowly, slowly now I'm back at work :(

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2860.jpg

Next i gotta fill those gaps under the superstructure.

[Larry Bates]

Looking good Mr. Hill,

I like the texture you're doing. Nice bolts on the Notek. ;)

Larry

[brokeneagle]

Thanks Larry but the Notek bolts still need a lot of work. Home made.
I am pleased with the way the welds and the texture has come out as it will be a very bruised stuggy. :)

[brokeneagle]

I finally got back to my Stug. I have done some more detail on the rear section as well as bolts and stuff at the sides......... i will post these next.
I have also done some work on the small archway. I am in the middle of getting rid of the air bubble marks in the casting as well as rescribing the outer detail. Inner detail needs to be added as there is none.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2897.jpg
This is my mods with the original box..... you can see the changes as well as what I have left off.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2898.jpg
Still a bit left over for next time as well as some loose rubble for this scene.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2889.jpg
I am adding the detail at present and enhancing what is already there. I use a typical scribe tool for plastic, a scaple and a metal pencil scribe. VP ruins don't have great depth to their plaster castings......but that's ok 'cause that's what makes it fun! Once the grooves between bricks are right I add the chips and cracks etc. You can see the air bubbles in this shot. They will be filled or turned into damage.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2885.jpg
I start with the brick pattern in pencil. This building is an easy one as it has a irregular pattern to the bricks and does not need a more precise pattern.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2888.jpg
This is the other wall that has been highly modified. I am showing the fully scribed interior side. This wall started a lot larger but was too large for what I wanted- it overpowered the tank which is the main subject, so I reduced it's visual influence.
I also added wooden pegs to the insides of the wall as this helps 'heaps' in the glueing stage.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2887.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2895.jpg
With these plaster kits you will also need to smooth off the base of each wall to make it flat. I use a steel ruler.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_2896.jpg
The detail on the end of the wall comming toward the camera has been dug out and given a more 3D effect. It also helps to 'dig out' some bricks and replace them with ones made from modelling clay, positioning them so they stick out and look as though they are about to fall. ;)
My next step is to finish the detail, choose damaged rubble and enhance that, then build the doors. Also detail such as taps, pumps and signs must also be added.

[brokeneagle]

I found a good shot of a Berlin Stug that I hadn't seen before.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/photos/berlin%20campaign/stug3berlin.jpg
I think what I will end up doing is a generic Late War Stug 3 with a number of classic features from late vehiocles as I can't find an exact one. There were plenty of unidentified vehicles from this time so I should be able to get away with it. I have got back on to the tank itself thanks to Sticky and should be able to posts some more shots tomorrow. :)

[Larry Bates]

Looks like a good one Ian, is that left over shurzen on the superstructure?

Larry

[brokeneagle]

Yeah, I think so Larry. I have seen a couple of these late ones now, that have field welded pieces of shurzen up on the side of the super structure. Like the one in the original shot at the start of this post that you are modelling........... I'd like to see more on that too you slacker. I'll finish if you do ;)

[Stuke Sowle]

Nice work on the gate Ian....oh and the StuG as well!

[Larry Bates]

Originally posted by brokeneagle@Feb 11 2006, 05:11 AM
Yeah, I think so Larry. I have seen a couple of these late ones now, that have field welded pieces of shurzen up on the side of the super structure. Like the one in the original shot at the start of this post that you are modelling........... I'd like to see more on that too you slacker. I'll finish if you do ;)

Hell,

If I posted everything that I've started.......
slacker, huh? :o :lol:

Larry

[brokeneagle]

Originally posted by Stuke Sowle@Feb 11 2006, 11:29 PM
Nice work on the gate Ian....oh and the StuG as well!
Thanks Stuke......... I have actually been working on the Stug itself I just haven't taken any photo's as yet..... they will turn up soon.
Still more to go on the gate. Lots of air bubbles tpo get rid of.

[brokeneagle]

:lol: well ,I have finally had some progess.....I hope I can keep it Up. I will keep looking at 'Sticky's' build to keep me motivated I think.
I managed to get the tracks on but once they had dried I realised I didn't use my late model ones! I don't think I can face pulling it of and building another set at this point so I will leave them. Does it matter? Did all late model Stugs always have late model track?
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_3055.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_3056.jpg
I did some more work on the front plates.....
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_3048.jpg
and the side. I added the bolt heads for the guard attachments as well as the round 'nobby thing' on the side of the front plate.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_3049.jpg
I did some more work on the welds around the cupola as well as adding the handle to the hatch.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_3051.jpg
I found that the old TamiyaStug hatch was more accurate for the late model then the new 'early G hatch, so I replaced it. I still have to add some nuts as well as the locking swivels.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_3050.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_3052.jpg
The MG mount is getting there........
I have added the loaders hatch's but I can't get rid of the weird angle created when you put them in place! :angry: Makes the hole look askew. I also still need to add the inner hatch detail here.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_3053.jpg
Redid the rear plate weld.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_3058.jpg
Added bolts to the tow assembly.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_3060.jpg
front plate with 'c' clamp attached.

[brokeneagle]

AND this is what it looks like overall so far.......
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_3041.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_3042.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_3043.jpg
I still need to do the large horrible weld at the front but I have to wait till the top is on...and that has to wait for the tracks to be painted.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_3044.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/3dbattleart/late%20Stug%203/IMG_3039.jpg
It's getting there..... ;)

[Vadster]

I just stumbled up on this one - cool! COOL that is!

[amba]

Nice work Ian, I really like those welding seams. Keep up the good work :)

-Ambjoern

[Panzergrenadier]

Great build Ian. I have to agree that the welds look awsome. :lol:

[Larry Bates]

Lookin good Ian. :thumb:

[mnickolson]

Looks great Ian :)

[Sticky]

Go Ian go! I'm sure I have seen pics of mix and match tracks, not sure about a full run. I think a set of tracks was good for tops 1000km.

[Stuke Sowle]

Sweet work Ian!

[brokeneagle]

:) Thanks Guys!
I am still trying to decide on whether I redo the track. :( Thanks for the info John.

Working on more brass bits now. ;)

[Larry Bates]

Ian,

Ah, I wouldn't bother redoing those tracks, but I guess that's what a slacker might say :lol: .

Larry

[amba]

I can understand you Ian. I also go back and change things when I realize imperfections ;)

-Ambjoern

[Sheeds]

Coming along splendidly Hilly. :thumb:

What's your concern with the tracks? They have solid guide teeth, and seem fine to me. Is the issue with the part of the track that contacts the ground?

I had a quick look and from what I can tell there are later G's with the same tracks. How about this shot? Do you think the tracks are the same you've used?
Note the muzzle break. ;)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Sheeds/ManandTank1.jpg

Willy.

[Sticky]

Willy those are the same track, but the StuH is an earlier version!

[Sheeds]

Hi Members

John, my thought was that it showed it the tracks the clearest out of all the pics I could find, regardless that's its a 105. :)

This shot should be enough evidence to show a late with earlier track though.....I hope

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/Sheeds/Stug2.jpg

Willy.

[Sticky]

Again I am not so sure how "Late" that StuG is. I do not see a barrel travel support, and I do see hub caps on the drive sprockets. It also appears to have Zimmerit, and that was present on only lates produced in the end of Aug early Sept 1944. I do see though 80mm armor on the right front superstructure, byt yet it appears to have a folding MG Sheild of sorts. Also I am not convinced the track doesnt have Ice cleats on teh bar face! Let me take a look and see what I find as well. Thanks for posting theses up! :)

[brokeneagle]

Originally posted by Larry Bates@Feb 17 2006, 08:58 AM
Ian,

Ah, I wouldn't bother redoing those tracks, but I guess that's what a slacker might say :lol: .

Larry
Larry,
even though YOU ARE A SLACKER, your modelling prowess 'outweighs' this fact and I will take your advice. I will leave the tracks but I am still waiting to see more of your Panther and Tiger2! :lol:
Good to hear from you buck o' and thanks for the advice.

[brokeneagle]

Willy,
Thanks for the posts, my concern was with the lack ice cleats on the face of the track as this is not late model link. Your photo's show that late model stuff still ran bare faced track but this is a final model from NEAR THE END IN 45.
John is correct in that the Stugs in your posts are not late enough to definately show the use but a yes on the possibility. I think there was probably shortages and backfitting going on all over the place. It's enough to save my ass from redoing the track! :lol:
Thanks guys ;)

[Sticky]

Ok I have found a pic of a final production StuH without the ice chevrons. I think most have seen the pic of it, it is the one with the 3 coffins piled behind it.

[brokeneagle]

:) Thanks for your efforts John, I actually posted that same photo in the 'end of war' photos post on this site. I went back to the book and looked at the clear version and I think it could be a mix, which is ok but interesting. The tracks shown at the rear toward the ground look like they have chevrons, while the higher ones don't. I also realised that the very first photo I posted on this thread - the knocked out one with 20 on the front, is a full final prod. with no chevrons on the track!
Thanks again Sticky :)

[Larry Bates]

Originally posted by brokeneagle@Feb 18 2006, 09:09 AM
Larry,
even though YOU ARE A SLACKER, your modelling prowess 'outweighs' this fact and I will take your advice. I will leave the tracks but I am still waiting to see more of your Panther and Tiger2! :lol:
Good to hear from you buck o' and thanks for the advice.

Well,

My fine feathered friend, I should be back at the bench today!!!!! :) Got a three day weekend and no work!!!! So maybe I'll post some stuff up by tomorrow.
Not the TII tho, you'll have to wait for that one. :lol: I'm not sure I want to do the one I had originally planned on doing. But there are not alot to choose from so......

So after reading the last few posts here, I take it the very late prod. stugs had no ice cleats? hmmmmmm. Damn. I may need to get different tracks for my stug, which by the Ian, will be next after the Panther, then, MAYBE the TII. LOL.


Good work buddy.

Larry

[Plushy]

Good too see the Stug is still progressing ! Cant wait too see another of your little Dio`s Ian .

I should do some more work on mine one of these days :(

[brokeneagle]

Originally posted by Larry Bates@Feb 18 2006, 11:25 AM

So after reading the last few posts here, I take it the very late prod. stugs had no ice cleats? hmmmmmm. Damn. I may need to get different tracks for my stug, which by the Ian, will be next after the Panther, then, MAYBE the TII. LOL.


Good work buddy.

Larry
Larry,
sounds like your in for a good weekend. Hope the new job is going well. :) Actually you sound just like me.......I pick a photo of a version to start and then usually change in mid stride to another or even then go back again, which is what I still might do hear and do that first one - same as you. :)
As far as the chevrons on the final model Stug tracks go, it's a mix. They seem to run either or a mix on the same run.
Good luck with your modelling Bud'. ;)

[brokeneagle]

Originally posted by Plushy@Feb 19 2006, 06:34 AM
Good too see the Stug is still progressing ! Cant wait too see another of your little Dio`s Ian .

I should do some more work on mine one of these days :(
Plushy,
good to hear from you.
I'm due to put another up soon but I only have the bigger ones left - which you have mainly seen . How is your stuff going you've got a Stug as well, is it progressing? :)

[Plushy]

Ian ,
My progress has slowed right down at the moment as we are packing up too move house in a few weeks so i dont get a lot of time too work on it :( I am hoping to get some work done on it tonight if i can find the time . I will add more photos to my Vbench this week . :)

[Evan August]

How's the Stug going? I've decided to do one of these myself after I finish some other stuff.

[brokeneagle]

Hey Evan, good to hear from you. :)
I have been really slack on my armor stuff and I haven't done anything on my Stug but I was planning to get something done this weekend. I plan to start on the rear frame around the back deck.
Good to see you are starting a Stug I will have a look at your Vbench. ;)

[jimmy66]

G,day Hilly jumped on board to see this one progress looks like shes coming along just fine... quick question for ya though how did you apply and what grade of Mr Surfacer did you use here,,, JAMIE

[brokeneagle]

Hi Jamie,
I used 500 initially applied with a brush cut down to a meduim stump [see my Karl Gerat build for how] and then som 1000 for subtle touch ups. this then gets sanded.

[MarttyyriMallari-TTt]

Originally posted by Andreas Larka@Jan 5 2006, 12:16 PM
Gentlemen,
Please note that the DML / Revell return rollers are too wide apart. They should be as tight as the Tamiya ones.

Here is a picture to clarify what I am talking about:

http://www.andreaslarka.net/ps531045/53104546.jpg

Otherwise very, very nice models! I am planning a similar Tamiya / Revell conversion myself and it's always nice to see how it has turned out for other modellers.
:o Gunze Sangyo old Pzkfw III Ausf. J hull (Lmfao :lol: ) You could fix that "too wide return roller-syndrome" With CMK 3054 StuG III Exterior set. Very good set .....












Have a beautifull day,


MarttyyriMallari-TTt